<p>LOL at Primefactor but I agree with everything she said.</p>
<p>Oh, definitely not. It really can't be compared to anything, but it's somewhere between Wharton-Penn and, say, Smith-Amherst.</p>
<p>Don't worry, if she doesn't figure it out before she gets here, CC'09 will be more than happy to clear things up for her.</p>
<p>HAHAHA!! Oh dear.... And I always thought Barnard definitely wasn't Columbia!</p>
<p>Primefactor, looking at your posts, you're a good public rep for Barnard. Not many who are both accurate and articulate.</p>
<p>The line between Barnard and Columbia is really hard to define, silver, and will depend largely on the individual student. It's hard to tell what your personal level of University integration will be until you've been enrolled.</p>
<p>Thanks, TheDad! I try. :)</p>
<p>Okay, I know I am out of my element here since I am a guy and I am going to Columbia, but I just want to say that appling to Barnard after a Columbia reject sounds fine to me. You still get to be in NYC which is an awesome place. I also had a Barnard phsyics teacher for my Columbia summer program class, and he was awesome. As for you catch, maybe you need to explain to your friend the difference. Going to Barnard back in the day before co-ed Ivy, she would have been fine in saying that I think, but now, I think she needs some correcting. Best of luck to all you ladies out there.</p>
<p>Yes, applying to Barnard after a Columbia rejection is fine. UNLESS you're just doing it because you want to go to Columbia, and accept Barnard as a poor substitute, which is my impression of what's going on here (e.g. not having anything to say for "Why Barnard?"). What I've been saying is that in that situation, you likely won't be happy with your relationship to either school</p>
<p>primefactor, this is mainly for you, but it is open to anyone who can answer. A couple of my friends are thinking about Columbia because they are looking for a good NYC school and I suggested it. One of the biggest things they are conserned about is the all girl thing. Is it really such a big deal? I mean you are in NYC and you also have the CU guys right across the street. Another question is how selective is Barnard? My friends don't exactly have the Ivy numbers I do.</p>
<p>Does anyone remember in the show "Rich Girls" when the other girl (not alli hilfiger) said that she's going to an ivy league school when she was really going to barnard?</p>
<p>No, all girls isn't a huge deal. Maybe for the first year, when you have to live in single sex housing and about half of your classes are closed Barnard seminars.</p>
<p>You can look up Barnard's admission stats online. You can judge for yourself if "Ivy numbers" are really vital.</p>
<p>And, as I pointed out before, technically she was right. Lame, but right.</p>
<p>When I went to visit Barnard and Columbia, I asked everyone I met what the difference was. The answer I got in the end was if you wanted there to be a difference you could make one - Columbia kids could only hang out with people who were accepted to Columbia and had taken the core, and Barnard girls could hang out only with Barnard girls and make it feel like a small, all girls school - but if you didn't want that, there was NO DIFFERENCE! I even met a girl who went to Barnard but took the entire Core at Columbia and lived in Columbia housing her last three years. In other words, like all college stuff, it's what you make of it.</p>
<p>wow..prime that was really nice of u..</p>
<p>umm i dont know man i see barnard=ivy league everywhere..it was written on some other brochure..barnard is considered ivy...why shouldnt it be..ur practically allowed to take the same classes..isnt education all about the classes..so if ur taking the same classes..isnt the education the same?</p>
<p>I just wish I have someone to shake senseless right now. Why does it Matter so much that Barnard is an Ivy or Not?! You should be there or Go there for a Goshgiven education based on an exemplary liberal arts program, regardless of how glowing the frickin label is. And why are people so concerned with the "all girls thing". Obviously it's a girls college and I'm sure there's many other options out there that are "coed" besides Barnard. And if you're going to go there for the mere sake of dating a columbian, then that defeats the purpose of a college experience at a women liberal arts college. Seriously, if half the population is as senseless as that, i'd rather consider NYU. </p>
<p>On a final note, it's nice to be informed though.</p>
<p>Agreed, franklinbrown, and DEFINITELY agreed, saysua. I get irritable when people start asking about "Ivy" this and "Ivy" that. How does being part of the Ivy League change the quality of an education one iota?</p>
<p>Though Barnard is different from most women's colleges, and it is important to know that. No matter how much you value a single-sex environment, there is no escaping men at Barnard. So take that into consideration, however you value it. :) I don't think anyone goes here just to date a Columbia guy--do Columbia girls go to Columbia just for that reason? It's just one of those weird things that makes Barnard so dual-natured.</p>
<p>yeh saysua i totally agree with u.. ivy or not does it really matter? after all it hardly means anything!!!
i'm really not into this whole ivy league thing.
who cares if it is or not.....</p>
<p>Ivy League is a sports designation from way back. Barnard could not be an "ivy" because it doesn't have a male football team. However, being that that's the distinction... it REALLY shouldn't matter!</p>
<p>Well, Barnard students do play on Ivy League sports teams today.</p>
<p>The University of Chicago isn't considered an Ivy, and it's still an excellent school. So is UC Berkeley, and Wash U in St. Louis, and Northwestern, and Cooper Union, and a ton of other schools out there, many of which aren't nearly as well-known as the ones I've mentioned. The Ivy tag doesn't really matter all that much in the long run - like everyone else has been saying, college is almost entirely what you make of it, anyway. Many of the people who made great contributions to the world went nowhere near Ivies, or were horrible at school (good ol' Einstein), period. </p>
<p>Barnard did not become my first choice because of its connection with Columbia. It caught my eye because of that connection, but the relationship with CC was not what made me fall totally in love with it. I was actually considering applying to Columbia until I realized it seemed so faceless and "ehhh" compared to life on the Barnard campus. Don't get me wrong - I have absolutely nothing against CC or its students (and I'm hoping that's not going to change) - but, in the end, Barnard was the school for me. It suited me better as a person, and that's what settled it.</p>
<p>As for meeting men...well, I've lived in Queens, New York, and meeting guys has never been a problem, even though my school is 75% female. I suppose if that's the way it is in Queens, it certainly can't be any different in Manhattan. :)</p>
<p>I think you're going to make a great Barnard student. :-)</p>