<p>Would it be incorrect to say that I am a Columbia student if i go to Barnard?</p>
<p>Yes it is incorrect.</p>
<p>Yes, and it’s a pet peeve of Columbia students. Other Barnard women won’t want to hear you said that either. I think if you go to Barnard you won’t want to. Barnard women are fiercely proud of their school.</p>
<p>On occasion to clarify things my D said, I attend Barnard college. It’s a women’s college that’s part of Columbia University. But she only said that if people didn’t know what Barnard was.</p>
<p>Looking at the two threads you started together, it strikes me that you don’t really want to attend Barnard. If you go to a school that doesn’t inspire you and you already have doubt about I don’t think you’ll have the best experience. If Stony Brook appeals to you more, you should attend.</p>
<p>My D chose Barnard over Binghamton and many other options, too. It was her dream school, and after graduating, she still feels the same.</p>
<p>There are a lot of threads on this topic, and the debate is still hot. A lot of Barnard students do it, it seems. And it’s not hard to pass as a Columbia student (with the CU email/ID and Facebook network, etc.), and technically you’re part of Columbia University. </p>
<p>That being said, I am “fiercely proud” to call myself a Barnard woman, and I tell most people I will attend Barnard College. There are a few exceptions, mainly when I feel it useless to explain the school’s relationship and history. I told my dentist, remorselessly, that I’m attending Columbia. The world has not ended (yet).</p>
<p>I generally say I’m from Barnard, and I definitely say Barnard College, Columbia University on my CV and such. For my family (in which only one other member speaks fluent English, and only three have ever stepped foot into America), I tend to just say Columbia or a college within Columbia. Makes my life easier.</p>
<p>And no, I don’t think it’s incorrect to say you’re a Columbia student, though I have friends that do, even on things like their CV–it is disingenuous though.</p>
<p>Sometimes the parents or other family members are to blame. A colleague of mine has a daughter who he proudly proclaimed went to Columbia. I later discovered she went to Barnard. Sounds like it’s the dad who has issues there.</p>
<p>I agree…about the dad having the “issues”. My daughter would be pretty annoyed with me if I did not say she was a Barnard graduate. I do often add, though, that Barnard is the women’s college affiliated with Columbia.</p>
<p>For the sake of expediency, when telling other people where you go to school, it might be easier just to say Columbia if you don’t have time to explain. At Columbia and Barnard, however, it would be really strange if you said you go to Columbia when you don’t. The real issue, though, is not what you call yourself but how you really feel. If you just REALLY want to be a Columbia student, don’t go to Barnard. In your living situation, in the classroom, at events or when you join clubs are all instances where your energy of discontent will be apparent and not appreciated. Not everyone that goes to Barnard is thrilled about it, but most are and it creates an environment of excitement. And most importantly, YOU will not enjoy your college experience if you are not at a place which excites you.</p>
<p>In some cases the family member may not have issues but just be uninformed about colleges. I told one of my relatives that my oldest daughter was going to go to Barnard and was asked where Barnard was. Now, this is a man with an apartment in Manhattan. I told him it was the women’s college next to Columbia. He then asked, “Where’s Columbia?”</p>
<p>I did not want to start another thread to post this, but thought this would be a great example of a Columbia University-wide organization: Orchesis. It’s the student-run dance group.</p>
<p>Here is a video of a piece that was student-choreographed (as they all are) and of course all the dancers are students (Barnard, CC, maybe even SEAS). Usually Orchesis pieces are rehearsed once per week at what ever time they can get rehearsal space, so the dancers are pretty dedicated to getting it done in not a lot of time (maybe 5-6 rehearsals). They also do the costuming and the show is totally student-produced. </p>
<p>This video is featured at dance media and will be referenced in an upcoming dance magazine.</p>
<p>[dancemedia.com</a> :: Daisy Chains](<a href=“http://dancemedia.com/v/3598]dancemedia.com”>http://dancemedia.com/v/3598)</p>
<p>churchmusicmom: I tried to send you a PM but your box is full! Thanks for posting the dance performance.</p>
<p>deleted the pms, mythmom!</p>
<p>I think it’s not only disingenuous, but also insulting to say you go to Columbia if you go to Barnard (I refer to post-1981 Columbia, or whenever it is that women began matriculating in full). Be PROUD that you’re at one of the finest colleges in the country. Why diminish that accomplishment for the others? It only makes you look like you have something to prove.</p>
<p>We go round and round with this on CC – but it is ONLY on CC where anyone harbors any doubts. </p>
<p>Barnard is an affiliate and subsidiary of Columbia University. You can attend Columbia U. without being enrolled at Barnard, but it is physically and legally impossible to attend Barnard without simultaneously being a student at Columbia University – or to graduate from Barnard without receiving a degree from Columbia University. </p>
<p>Columbia UNIVERSITY is not the same as Columbia COLLEGE in New York, but Columbia College happens to be a subsidiary of Columbia University. This is different than Columbia College of Missouri, which has no affiliation whatsoever with Columbia University. Sometimes two different entities share the same name. Most people who attend Columbia University are smart enough to hold two thoughts in their head at the same time, and to understand that one word can sometimes refer to different and separate things, and sometimes refer to related things. Unfortunately, some people who post on CC lack that intellectual capacity. </p>
<p>My Barnard daughter will graduate approx. 9 hours from now. The ceremony will be at Columbia U. and will include a sea of students from all of the affiliated undergraduate and graduate schools and colleges, and all of the students will be wearing identical powder blue caps & gown, all bearing the same Columbia emblems. She will officially “graduate” at the moment that the President of Columbia announces that he is conferring degrees on all assembled, and not a moment before. </p>
<p>Roughly 10 hours ago we attended a ceremony called a “Commencement”. There was a commencement speaker, my daughter and hundreds of other young women from Barnard college attended in caps and gowns, along with Barnard faculty; there were honorary awards announced and commencement speakers – but no one graduated, no “degree” was conferred. After the ceremony, no one shifted the position of their tassel on their cap – all agreed that they would have to wait until the “graduation” on the following day to do so. </p>
<p>My daughter will very soon be a proud graduate of Barnard College and Columbia University.</p>
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<p>Barnard is legally separate and financially independent from Columbia, and Barnard students are not matriculated students of Columbia University, i.e. Trustees of Barnard is legally separate from the Trustee of Columbia. </p>
<p>Barnard degree is granted by the ‘Trustees of Columbia University’ which is not the same as Columbia University.</p>
<p>I don’t want to be there when the trustees of one Columbia University find out that the other trustees are using their name. Could get ugly.</p>
<p>Collegeboy - I stood in the pouring rain along with thousands of other parents on Tuesday to watch my daughter graduate from COLUMBIA. I saw the President of Barnard College stand up and ask the President of Columbia to grant the degree of Bachelor of Arts to the Barnard students assembled there. And about half an hour later, after the Presidents and Deans of a whole slew of other colleges stood up and made essentially the same request as to the students of their respective schools, I clearly heard the President of Columbia grant that request. (Barnard was the third of roughly 20 colleges/schools participating – Columbia College and SEAS were 1st and 2nd, General Studies 4th. The program notes said that the undergraduate schools were called in the order of the dates they were established, oldest first. It didn’t note any other distinctions about Barnard). </p>
<p>Then I went to a cafe on the Barnard campus and ordered hot chocolate. After awhile my daughter came by and she had her diploma in a folder. Her dad and I asked to see it. It was written in latin. It says “Curatores Universitatis Columbiae” at the top and it said “summa cum laude” at the bottom. We are putting it in a very nice frame.</p>
<p>You can indulge whatever fantasy you want. </p>
<p>I would note that the graduation ceremonies were awesome, even in the rain. It was very moving to see the ceremony - I think in a typical year there are probably 20,000 people in attendance. To current Barnard parents and students: given the forecast of heavy rain, we engaged in considerable discussion in the days leading up to the Columbia ceremony about whether we would attend. My daughter almost overslept and missed it. But my d’s friends who had graduated the previous year all urged her to go and insisted it was a wonderful experience. I have to agree. I agree with my d. that it would have been even more awesome if everyone hadn’t been soaking wet, and if we could have seen a sea of powder blue mortarboards rather than a sea of umbrellas … but I still feel that it was a special experience and I feel privileged to have been a part of it, even as a mere spectator. Pictures here: <a href=“http://news.columbia.edu/oncampus/2036[/url]”>http://news.columbia.edu/oncampus/2036</a></p>
<p>More pictures - plus a transcript and YouTube of Meryl Streep at Barnard:
[url=<a href=“http://bwog.net/]Bwog[/url”>http://bwog.net/]Bwog[/url</a>]</p>
<p>Thanks so much for posting the link to Ms. Streep’s speech. It was marvelous!!</p>