<p>i am a columbia (cc) grad of 1980 and my wife a barnard grad of 1979. if anyone (male or female) had called a barnard student - 'girl' you would have risked physical harm (only slightly exagerated).<br>
the line was always - columbia boys and barnard women.<br>
in any event at the time it was relatively easy to cross register for courses and there were no financial restraints to doing so. this was not the case with other 'affiliates' such as jts.<br>
the main deterrent for cross registration was the difference in the core curriculum. anyone who was a columbia college can attest to the structured core curriculum which demanded around 7 semester courses which were unique to columbia. barnard's core was similar to many liberal arts schools which demanded distribution of courses among the various faculties, but not necessarily specific courses. also several departments had different requirements for a major which also made it difficult to cross register (such as economics and psychology).
there was cross registration for some of the dorms also (but not freshman year).<br>
i have no clue to the situation today (columbia college became coed a few years after i graduated).</p>
<p>Nadkobi, the situation is the same today. Cross-registration between the schools is unlimited and except for a few Columbia courses designated as "limited enrollment" and Columbia's required core courses, and Barnard's first year seminar courses.<br>
Depending on major, a Barnard student may end up taking most courses at Columbia, and in some areas a Columbia student could end up taking most of the major courses at Barnard - Barnard houses the urban studies, architecture, theater & dance departments which serve both campuses. The Columbia University Pres. has ultimate say in tenure decisions for Barnard faculty, and Barnard is represented on the University Senate. Barnard's letterhead bears the name, "Barnard College of Columbia University"; Barnard women receive diplomas bearing the name "Columbia University" and signed by the University President. Barnard women athletes are eligible to play on Columbia's Div. I teams... which as we all know, are part of the athletic conference known as the Ivy League. Barnard women can join Columbia sororities (though I have no clue as to why they would want to). Barnard maintains several joint degree programs with graduate divisions of Columbia U.</p>
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<p>Militant feminism, while still existing nowadays, isn't as pervasive as it was in your era. ;) ;) Only kidding!</p>
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Nadkobi, the situation is the same today. Cross-registration between the schools is unlimited and except for a few Columbia courses designated as "limited enrollment" and Columbia's required core courses, and Barnard's first year seminar courses.
Depending on major, a Barnard student may end up taking most courses at Columbia, and in some areas a Columbia student could end up taking most of the major courses at Barnard - Barnard houses the urban studies, architecture, theater & dance departments which serve both campuses. The Columbia University Pres. has ultimate say in tenure decisions for Barnard faculty, and Barnard is represented on the University Senate. Barnard's letterhead bears the name, "Barnard College of Columbia University"; Barnard women receive diplomas bearing the name "Columbia University" and signed by the University President. Barnard women athletes are eligible to play on Columbia's Div. I teams... which as we all know, are part of the athletic conference known as the Ivy League. Barnard women can join Columbia sororities (though I have no clue as to why they would want to). Barnard maintains several joint degree programs with graduate divisions of Columbia U.
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<p>Your laundry list is not compelling, given that one could also make a laundry list of dozens of barriers between Columbia and Barnard undergraduates.</p>
<p>I didn't give you a laundry list to prove a case, Columbia2002 - I just stated a series of facts.</p>
<p>I find it ironic that you Columbians complain about being unable to get desired classes because they are filled with Barnard women and at the same time insist on denying that the Barnard women are attending your school. Apparently your argument is that they are there but you wish they weren't.</p>
<p>Nobody is arguing the presence of Barnard students on the Columbia campus. Nobody is saying that the reason some Columbia students are shut out of classes is solely due to Barnard students taking these classes. I believe this whole thread started because of the Barnard students who tell people they attend Columbia University when in fact they do not attend Columbia University. Look at the Barnard website. You really have to search hard to find any reference to Barnard College of Columbia University. It looks as though Barnard would like to see itself as a separate entity from Columbia University whereas the posters on this thread want to try to prove that it is an integral part of Columbia.</p>
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<p>In Columbia classes you'll find many students who aren't Columbia University students, e.g., visiting students, students of affiliated schools, staff and their family who get course privileges, students with cross-registration privileges.</p>
<p>And this is why the Columbia/Barnard arguments persists. I mean look, adults that don't even go to either Columbia or Barnard are arguing about it. Seventeen pages of discussing/arguing. Is it really worth it? Anyway, I haven't looked at this post for a long time, but I just wanted to mention that I don't like being quoted out of context. Chopping up what I say in order to "prove" a point does not counter what I actually said. And really, Barnard, Columbia, in the classroom, we really don't care or think about it too much.</p>
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<p>Alright! I like the "we really don't care or think about it too much".</p>
<p>I really don't understand what Calmmom's and Goldie's problem is. Barnard is an affiliated instituition. It's NOT an undergraduate school of Columbia University. Barnard stands to gain a lot (applicants & prestige, for instance) by associating itself with Columbia University, so it does and the ambiguity persists. The Barnard/Columbia relationship is more analogous to the Long Island/NYC relationship than Staten Island/NYC. Why not just accept this fact?</p>
<p>hi! i really need help! i accepted tufts' offer of admission, but barnard just got me off their waitlist..where should i got-- i was gonna major in International Relations and minor in Media and Communications at Tufts....help!~</p>
<p>i'd suggest making a separate post for this, on the barnard page, definitely NOT on the columbia page. it's really a matter of personal preference between barnard and tufts, no one can tell you where to go, but they are equally academically challenging. boston and new york are quite different and so are the schools' atmospheres (urban all-women versus suburban coed?). i think barnard is more diverse, but we dont have neither an IR nor a journalism major, although you can do a concentration in IR. post on the barnard board, you'll get more responses.</p>
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<p>If you can talk Columbia University into not putting their name on Barnard's papers, then you can logically argue that the Long Island/NYC bit. Why not talk a walk to the president's office and have a friendly little chat? Go for it!</p>
<p>Have you ever considered, goldie, that maybe BARNARD puts Columbia's name on its letterhead? Hmm, yeah, you never thought of that one, right?</p>
<p>Columbia University issues the diploma, student2009. </p>
<p>You guys can twist it any way you want, but the fact remains that in the end the degree is issued by Columbia UNIVERSITY.</p>
<p>"You guys can twist it any way you want, but the fact remains that in the end the degree is issued by Columbia UNIVERSITY."</p>
<p>In the end, they may get a degree that is issued by Columbia UNIVERSITY; however, while they are still students, they attend BARNARD College!!</p>
<p>Barnard College, an affiliate of Columbia University...you can not deny that without that affiliation Barnard would be a very different place! On the same token, for some Columbia students having the affiliation with Barnard is also very appealing....ie...urban studies majors!</p>
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<p>Wow, unauthorized use of CU's good name. Hey as a cc student, well I am assuming that you are, shouldn't you report that to the campus police? Come on, do the right thing for your beloved cc, go to the campus police or CU president's office and report it.</p>
<p>Please please please let us know the result of your talk with the president?</p>
<p>All I know is that I would not go to Columbia if not for its affiliation with Barnard, since the latter houses the Theatre major.</p>
<p>If you don't mind my asking, sendtherain, why then aren't you going to Barnard if it's the school that offers your major? Could it be the Columbia name you were looking for?</p>
<p>could sendtherain possibly be male? or maybe the core was a reason? actually I would love to hear his or her reasons for choosing Columbia over Barnard myself....I would also love to hear sendtherian's feelings on the relationship between Columbia and Barnnard students....</p>