<p>Maybe we should ask Barnard College to stop wearing Columbia gowns to commencement. You know how embarassing it is when two women are wearing the same gown to the same event.
<a href="http://www.barnard.columbia.edu/newnews/2006commencement.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.barnard.columbia.edu/newnews/2006commencement.html</a></p>
<p>student 2009...maybe you need to read these posts a little more closely...Maybe we all agree that Barnard is affiliated with Columbia but this affiliation seems to be a major bone of contention for many of the Columbia students and their parents on this thread!....No one has ever said that Barnard is a college of Columbia...Maybe you need to read a bit better.... And, I really do not appreciate being called illiterate...Trust me here...I have more education than you ...(What are you a big sophomore?)....Your nastiness is not appealing...Please learn some manners! Oops...maybe they dont teach those at the wonderful Columbia...Are all Columbia students as obnoxious as you?</p>
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<p>I don't think anybody who is significantly involved in this thread disagrees with something that is plainly stated on both Columbia's and Barnard's website. The issue is whether Barnard is a college of Columbia, and whether Barnard girls are Columbia U. students.</p>
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I really do not appreciate being called illiterate...Trust me here...I have more education than you (Are you now a sophomore?).
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<p>Wow, you make a compelling case -- putting down a 19 year old with your intellectual prowess.</p>
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<p>N-E-C-E-S-S-A-R-Y. Ironic, the previous sentence of your post.</p>
<p>Thanks, Columbia2002 for the support.</p>
<p>Mardad: Your post makes good points. However, to anyone who may think "[...] that Columbia College is for very bright people who didn't get into HYP, but wanted to go to an Ivy anyway", HYP lose a lot of great applicants who apply ED and RD to Columbia and attend because they feel CU is a better fit. </p>
<p>As for you "Collegeisfun", you really must be illiterate. Not one person took issue with Barnard being an affiliate of Columbia except, however, for Barnard students/grads/parents who seem to wish Barnard were an undergraduate college of Columbia. Also you claim to "have more education" than me, and make reference to the fact that you think I am a sophomore, yet you punctuate everyone single one of your sentences with ellipses. Anyone else sense the irony here? And then you go on to comment on my manners. Wouldn't someone with manners not comment on someone elses? Ahh, you are truly a master of irony.</p>
<p>Collegeisfun, tsk, tsk. Editing your posts to make different arguments after people have invalidated your original ones... Just keep twisting your words; you'll eventually come up with something good!</p>
<p>Thankfully I found it "NECEASSARY" to preserve Collegeisfun's superior education in post #303.</p>
<p>The ellipses thing is funny!</p>
<p>Maybe Collegeisfun will go back and edit out all the ellipses, too. Provided he/she even knows what they are.</p>
<p>Student2009, you and I know that people often select Columbia over HYP. (After all, there is only one New York City.) However people who view Columbia as a close second to HYP would say that these ED applicants are seeking to make use of both the ED advantage and the "Princeton Dip" (cited elsewhere in collegeconfidential as a technique by which colleges increase their "yield"), because these applicants know other people, very likely at their own school, who are somewhat more likely to get into HYP. I'm not sayiing there's anything wrong or dishonest with this. I would do it myself in selecting colleges to which to apply.</p>
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Why does the point of reference have to be its affiliation with Columbia -- to make it seem more elite?
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Because- it is affiliated with Columbia University. So my question for the Columbians is: why do you want us to hide that fact? When people asked where the college is, then it makes sense to tell them the truth. The connection with Columbia not only seems to ring a lot of bells for people, it also provides a geographic reference for anyone vaguely familiar with Manhattan, because most people seem to have a general idea of where the Columbia campus is.</p>
<p>And as to my conversation with my friend with the daughter going to SUNY ... I had merely commented that it would be easy for her daughter to visit mine at her chosen college. The other mom was puzzled about how to get to "Bard"... "Barnard" didn't clear things up... "Columbia" did. It's kind of useful for visitors to know what subway exit to use. Especially for all of our friends who might remember that my daughter was also looking at some college with a name they can't remember that was a part of NYU, and head off to Greenwich Village. </p>
<p>As I think I said before, if my daughter had wanted to impress, she would have accepted the spot offered at Berkeley. I guarantee that any west coaster would value Berkeley far above Columbia, as would internationals who rely on the "Times Higher World University Rankings" rather than the more provincial US News ranking system. ;)</p>
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When people asked where the college is, then it makes sense to tell them the truth. The connection with Columbia not only seems to ring a lot of bells for people, it also provides a geographic reference for anyone vaguely familiar with Manhattan, because most people seem to have a general idea of where the Columbia campus is.
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<p>If you're telling them WHERE it is, wouldn't it make sense to give them a location. You're saying "116th & Broadway" or "Morningside Heights" or "on the southern border of Harlem" or "Upper upper west side" are not better references for people who are "vaguely familiar with Manhattan"?</p>
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<p>Nobody's going to think your kid goes to NYU. You know you've been bragging to all your friends that she goes to Columbia.</p>
<p>And, do you actually think that your friends are just going to randomly swipe into the subway and "head off to Greenwich Village" and wander around looking for your daughter? If they wanted to see your daughter, you'd give them, say, the address of her dorm.</p>
<p>I love how you rationalize your attempt to play on Columbia's prestige with the pitiful suggestion that your friends are otherwise just going to waltz over to NYU because they remember that your daughter also applied to NYU. Please, before you post, read what you write and see if it passes the laugh test.</p>
<p>Columbia2002's post above is rather hilarious. Calmom sounds kinda pathetic to be honest </p>
<p>anyway, the reason im posting is.. don't you guys think its sad that this is one of the most popular discussions in the Columbia board? shouldnt we be spending this energy on topics concerning Columbia's undergraduate life or on helping those who are looking forward to attending Columbia next fall?</p>
<p>The prestige thing with Berkeley is a little bit ridiculous. I'm a native Californian and Columbia is generally more "prestigious" than Berkeley. To claim that any west coaster would value Berkeley far more than Columbia is false because I do not, I am a west coaster, and therefore since one west coaster values Columbia more than Berkeley, your statement is false. It's all critical thinking, yo. </p>
<p>That was supposed to be taken a bit sarcastically. Quit nitpicking, I agree, with benshen. To any future Barnard or Columbia kids, know that yes, Columbia College can be a bit snobby at times and makes fun of General Studies, Barnard, and SEAs in passing comments and school events such as the Varsity show, but it rarely translates into anything within a classroom setting. In the end, we all socialize, study, and work together (well less so for GS because they don't live on campus), and any misogynist issues that Barnard deals with is similar to any other all women's college (which doesn't make it right).</p>
<p>i know someone from my hs who goes to cornell college in iowa and he never bother correcting people when they think he goes to CORNELL :)</p>
<p>do barnard students graduate with columbians at commencement?</p>
<p>Yes.
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<p>Recapping,</p>
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<li><p>Less talented students apply banard because they know they have a better shot at banard than columbia and also they can get "Columbia University" on their banard diplomas</p></li>
<li><p>Columbia students does not like this.</p></li>
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<p>um, this thing is not difficult to analyze... :p</p>
<p>...no calmom is wrong</p>
<p>Two of the barnard graduation ceremonies are separate but they do take part in the ceremony with giving out the degrees.</p>
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The Barnard ceremony (the Presentation of Degree Candidates) will take place on Lehman Lawn on Tuesday, May 16 at 2:30.
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The University exercises (the conferring of degrees) will take place on Wednesday, May 17 at 10:30 a.m. on the Columbia campus.
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The Baccalaureate Service will be held on Sunday, May 14 at 3:00 p.m., St. Paul's Chapel at Columbia.
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<p>Silly me, I always thought that "the ceremony with giving out of the degrees" was called a "graduation".</p>
<p>There I go, relying on the dictionary again.</p>
<p>Perhaps Columbia students should publish a glossary to help translate English into Columbia-speak.</p>
<p>Just in case anyone is actually paying attention, the page that describes all the Columbia University commencement ceremonies is here:
<a href="http://www.columbia.edu/cu/ceremonies/commencement/receptions.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.columbia.edu/cu/ceremonies/commencement/receptions.html</a></p>
<p>Each of 20 different schools and colleges associated with Columbia has their own commencement ceremony. Barnard has their own; Columbia has their own; SEAS has their own; General Studies has their own; the Arts school has it own; etc. </p>
<p>Then there is one big University-wide commencement ceremony at which students from all the colleges participate. See:
<a href="http://www.columbia.edu/cu/ceremonies/commencement/ceremony.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.columbia.edu/cu/ceremonies/commencement/ceremony.html</a></p>
<p>Seating Chart:
<a href="http://www.columbia.edu/cu/ceremonies/commencement/dc_seating.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.columbia.edu/cu/ceremonies/commencement/dc_seating.html</a></p>
<p>Barnard students receive their diplomas after the University-wide commencement:
<a href="http://www.columbia.edu/cu/ceremonies/commencement/diplomas.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.columbia.edu/cu/ceremonies/commencement/diplomas.html</a></p>
<p>There is also a separate Baccalaureate Service for "undergraduate degree candidates from Columbia College, the Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Science, Barnard College and the School of General Studies" --
<a href="http://www.columbia.edu/cu/ceremonies/commencement/bacservice.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.columbia.edu/cu/ceremonies/commencement/bacservice.html</a></p>
<p>In other words: twenty separate ceremonies for each of the 20 schools; one university-wide ceremony for all 20 schools together; and one ceremony for the four undergraduate colleges, including Barnard.</p>
<p>Calmom, I gotta love your tenacity. I would hate to face you in court.</p>