<p>Link ?</p>
<p>Before Columbia college became co-ed in 1985, Barnard graduates were considered as Columbia U graduates. Childrens of Barnard colleges were also considered as legacy.</p>
<p>However, after 1985 after Columbia became co-ed, Barnard graduates are no longer considered as Columbia graduates… and childrens of Barnard graduates are NOT legacy any more… </p>
<p>and… therefore Barnard graduates are NOT Columbia graduates any more</p>
<p>When you make a statement, please provide a link to an official site… and since it’s Barnard students who are claiming Barnard is part of Columbia, and not Columbia students claiming Barnard is part of Columbia, it doesn’t matter what the official Barnard website or any trustees, provosts, the president, etc. of Barnard College says. Only what Columbia officials post/say counts. </p>
<p>[Columbia</a> University: Prospective Students](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/prospective_students/index.html]Columbia”>http://www.columbia.edu/prospective_students/index.html)
the above link goes to the OFFICIAL COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY WEBSITE (columbia.edu) and as you can see, only three schools are listed under undergraduate schools (Columbia College, Engineering and Applied Science, General Studies) and Barnard College is clearly listed under AFFILIATED SCHOOLS.</p>
<p>Barnard students can’t counter the evidence on this website listing with “but the Barnard college official website… the president of Barnard said… Barnard is part of Columbia.” </p>
<p>Unless you can post a link to an official Columbia website in which some high ranking Columbia University official says “Barnard College is part of Columbia University” or “We accidentally listed Barnard College under affiliated schools and not as part of undergraduate schools,” case closed.</p>
<p>kmhuether, here is the link about the info of Columbia alumni.</p>
<p><a href=“https://alumni.columbia.edu/help/index.html#uni_pw_faq[/url]”>https://alumni.columbia.edu/help/index.html#uni_pw_faq</a></p>
<p>Who is eligible for the Columbia Alumni Association (CAA) UNI-protected services?
All graduates from Columbia University are eligible. Graduates from affiliate schools (Barnard, Teachers College, Union Theological Seminary, and Jewish Theological Seminary) are not eligible.</p>
<p>Barnard itself is an excellent college. I hope that you attend Barnard because you really like Barnard.</p>
<p>Glad we settled it with the previous two posts.</p>
<p>I mean, the fact that there is a separate board for Barnard on CC should tell you that Barnard is not a subset of Columbia.</p>
<p>I mean, the fact that there is a separate board for Barnard on CC should tell you that Barnard is not a subset of Columbia. </p>
<p>That argument is just as bad as saying it is part of Columbia becuase it’s part of the facebook group. </p>
<p>On a side note, I’m so over this website, how do I delete my account?</p>
<p>Dear haters of Barnard College, Columbia University,</p>
<p>Hatred is a form of love. You hate us, yet you love us. We, Barnard women, are actually loving the attention. </p>
<p>I mean, who wouldn’t envy us? We are talented, beautiful, and intelligent. </p>
<p>p.s. I’m looking foward to seeing you all eating in Barnard’s cafeteria… </p>
<p>Sincerely,
a high class Barnard woman</p>
<p>This is silly. It’s entirely possible to have a Columbia University degree and not be a Columbia University graduate. I tried to find a copy of the affiliation agreement online but couldn’t, but you can request to read it and you will see that it states that Barnard graduates will be granted “the degree of the University.” Schools can grant degrees to students who never enrolled, that’s their prerogative and of course it’s yours to argue with their decision. If they wanted, Columbia could offer degrees to every NYU student as recognition that their academic program met Columbia’s standards.</p>
<p>So no, I don’t call myself a Columbia graduate, since I graduated from a Barnard program, but I do have a Columbia degree, and my resume reads Barnard College, Columbia University, since it is the Columbia trustees who ultimately granted me my degree. There’s no inconsistency in this, and doing this doesn’t mean I wish I had gone to Columbia or want to pretend I did. I mean, if I hang my diploma in my office, would you interpret that as trying to pass as a Columbia student to everyone who sees it?</p>
<p>edit: aaaand I didn’t realize this thread was ancient. Sorry, I’ll go back to work now.</p>
<p>saying that barnard is columbia is like saying that wellesley is harvard.</p>
<p>man there are some long threads against barnard…</p>
<p>food at barnard was better! columbia dining halls were horrible.</p>
<p>like i said in another thread, the only issue i had w barnard was housing…</p>
<p>if columbia university doesn’t mind sayinig “columbia university” on the diplomas, why should we? it is what it is…this thread can’t change anything.</p>
<p>the distinction is moot</p>
<p>pigs - barnard is more like harvard and radcliffe than harvard and wellseley (wellseley was always closer with MIT).</p>
<p>bc has a very funky relationship - in some endeavors it is the 4th ugrad school of columbia, in others it is an autonomous institution. i don’t know if there is a relationship like it in the country so in many ways it is unique. </p>
<p>ultimately i am a supporter of parity - that all ugrad schools are coequal and it is one community (because i believe in practical terms that is the interaction of students and it is the healthiest interaction). also, if Columbia U is okay with Barnard on their diplomas, with jointly hiring faculty for Barnard, than i am too.</p>
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<li>The diploma says ‘TRUSTEE OF COLUMBIA UNIVERISTY’.</li>
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<p>TRUSTEE OF COLUMIBIA U is different from COLUMBIA U.</p>
<p>The provost office states that CC/SEAS/GS degrees are awarded by Columbia U. and barnard degrees are not even mentioned at all. It means that Barnard degrees are granted by ‘TRUSTEES OF COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY’ ( which is different from CU) but not officially awarded by Columbia University. </p>
<p>That is why Barnard grad can not join Columbia University Alumni Assocation.</p>
<p>columbia has cc and seas, they could make another school…like the barnard college of agriculture (lol) which applicants can also apply to when applying to columbia, THEN barnard would be columbia.</p>
<p>correct collegeboy: the Trustees of Columbia University own Columbia University. and yes, CU does not grant BC degrees. rather the folks that own CU confer the degrees. complicated! i know.</p>
<p>so yes, BC grads are not part of CAA. </p>
<p>but as a regional club member i will like to point out that bc grads are welcome at regional columbia clubs. and because of our close relationship, they are almost always at reunion events and the like. gosh darn, there have never ever existed non-official mechanisms of socialization that supersede structured legal rationalizations. well here is one if there ever was.</p>
<p>“and yes, CU does not grant BC degrees. rather the folks that own CU confer the degrees.” </p>
<p>Wow, that’s a new level of hairsplitting I haven’t seen before. </p>
<p>To clarify, all diplomas of Columbia University and its affiliated colleges are issued by the “folks that own CU”, the Trustees of Columbia University. That is the (sole)institution name that appears right across the top of all of them, in big bold letters, variously in English or Latin . Each diploma is signed both by a representative of the Trustees, and the head (variously Dean or President, as applicable) of the graduate’s particular college. If the particular college is an affiliate then I suppose it is technically correct that nobody from the university per se signed the diploma, just the university’s Trustees, as you say, plus the affiiated college. But that’s a pretty fine distinction, IMO. All Columbia diplomas are conferred by the Trustees, including the diplomas of graduates of the university proper, in just this same manner, its just the second conferee/signatory is college-specific for all.</p>
<p>■■■■■… ■■■■■… lawl… lawl…</p>
<p>Yes both Barnard and Columbia diplomas are conferred by the ‘Trustees’ of CU.
However, according to the Provost Office of CU, CC/SEAS degrees are awarded by Columbia University as well. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/degrees%20and%20certificates%20awarded%202008-2009.htm[/url]”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/degrees%20and%20certificates%20awarded%202008-2009.htm</a></p>
<p>That is why it is wrong to say ‘Barnard degrees are awarded by Columbia University’</p>
<p>The distinction is significant. For example, becuase Columbia Alumni Association (CAA) membership requires official Columbia Univeristy degree, Barnard grads can not join CAA.</p>
<p>CAA could just as easily make membership open to include affiliates if it wanted to, that’s not some immutable law of nature that’s the policy choice of that group. That group speaks for itself, not the world. It does not follow that, because this particular group has made that distinction, that the same distinction must apply for every other purpose, by every other party that is not CAA.</p>
<p>Then how come Barnard degrees are not listed on
‘Degrees awarded by Columbia Univeristy’ which is published by the ‘Office of the Provost’ ?</p>
<p>They are awarded by the affiliates, it would be double-countuing to list them in both places.</p>
<p>But that is part of the fundamental “neither fish nor fowl” position of students at the affiliates, On the one hand they are being handed diplomas which, I’m sorry to tell you, are the same darned diplomas, included in University classes, publications, groups and functions, then on other hand their existence is officially denied. they are like B*****d children fof the Trustees from an illicit prior dalliance.</p>
<p>It is an incredibly awkward formal relationship. All in all I agree with admissionsgeek, except in giving special significance/distinction to issuance by the Trustees, since they all are. </p>
<p>If you read them, the diplomas say or imply that the signatories are granting the degrees. Whether the issuer is technically Columbia itself, or rather The Trustees of Columbia University, in identical fashion to the way the Trustees of Columbia University issue degrees of columbia proper, anyone who looks at it will clearly assume it to be a Columbia diploma. If what is stated, or obviously impled, on the recipients’ diplomas is a lie or a fraud then the Trustees have no business participating by issuing and signing them. But they do sign them, then on the other hand the affiliates’ official place in the university goes only partly acknowledged; there is “plausible deniability”.So these students are there in fact, but excludable from offical statistics. I think it is a two-faced approach, myself, and very unfair to students at the affiliates. If recipients cannot say they were issued the diploma by the body, or clearly implied body, who issued them the diploma and signed them, the Trustees shouldn’t be issuing and signing their diplomas.</p>
<p>Thanks for your personal interpretation of the diploma. Of course, YOu are entitled to your own personal opinion. Obviously the Office of the Provost, Office of the Registrar and Columbia Alumni Associaiton do not agree with your personal interpretation. </p>
<p>No Columbia’s official documents shows that Barnard degrees are awarded by CU.</p>
<p>However, you are welcome to say that Barnard degrees are conferred by ‘Trustees of CU’ because that is what the diploma says. </p>
<p>Obviously ,
CC/SEAS degress are conferred by the Trustee of CU AND awarded by CU. </p>
<p>Barnard degrees are conferred by Trustees of CU … then… ?? probably awarded by Barnard</p>