<p>seems like Barnard is not part of Columbia but an independent institution separate from Columbia</p>
<p>If it helps you guys sleep better, bear in mind that this relationship between Columbia & Barnard has been going on for many, many years, before any of us were born. Barnard women were there first, so to speak.</p>
<p>When Columbia College wanted to go coed, part of the deal that they sold to the university in the approval process was that the affiliate relationship would continue such that Barnard would not be disenfranchised and would continue to be viable. The assurance of Barnard’s continued role in the community helped garner the Trustees’ approval of Columbia College’s coeducation, without which it would not have been poised to shoot up in rank to this extent as the fortunes of New York city improved. You oh so prestigious people may not have been interested in the Columbia that would have existed without the assured continued interrelationship of Barnard. You might snear at that Columbia’s entrance statistics. Even if the exact same education went on there.</p>
<p>i never found any of my barnard friends (as pbr notes) to really care enough about this. the barnard girls that are truly involved on their side of broadway show an incredible love and interest in their institutions and never feel inferior (if anything their close relationship to their president makes them feel greater source of power) and vice versa.</p>
<p>in the end there are multiple reasons to attend each school and most are distinct from being part of the broader ugrad community. but once one attends he/she are able to use these broader resources at his/her leisure.</p>
<p>monydad - thanks for the thoughtful post, something i’ve wished to reiterate many times over that it is a delicate relationship and one that exists only because of its assured mutual beneficence. naive students don’t get that, bellicose students just want to hate for hate’s sake. i am sorry about your daughter’s experience, though i rarely found a barnard girl to feel the same frustration you or the writer above expresses.</p>
<p>collegeboy only lives for one conversation to prove that barnard is not part of columbia, if you egg him on, he will just feed the flames. </p>
<p>what is often lost in this conversation, as monydad notes, is a sense of history; people act as if the present was always the present. i remember when facebook first started and the reason that only one columbia network began had nothing to do with politics of schools or any school asking. columbia was the first expansion zone with yale and stanford, they created the columbia group and from the get-go because barnard students had columbia email addresses it became a de facto group for barnard students. though there have been recent attempts as facebook has become institutionalized by barnard herself to add a barnard network, its original exclusion was far from conscious, and if anything represented a continuation of the columbia community as a singular whole that began with CUcommunity.com and then campusnetwork.com.</p>
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<p>I think you should worry about more important stuff…</p>
<p>Give these Barnard bashing threads a rest…</p>
<p>From a Columbia Alum</p>
<p>“collegeboy only lives for one conversation to prove that barnard is not part of columbia”</p>
<p>I think you are severely shortchanging collegeboy. I may be wrong, but I’m almost sure Ive seen him posting about the distinctions betweeen Columbia College and GS, and how their degrees are not the same.</p>
<p>So that would be double the number of conversations you gave him credit for, at least.</p>
<p>this is seriously the most tired and boring thread topic everywhere. in fact, this argument has basically become the ultimate clich</p>
<p>collegeboy49, you are an idiot that perpetually posts on these threads like you have an idea what you are speaking about. you are an insignificant member of society. stop pretending to be knowledgeable about everything under the sun, and give it a rest.</p>
<p>“Is it bad that Barnard students already bother me?..Because they haven’t actually gotten through the Columbia CC or SEAS admissions process, which are significantly more competitive (am I right?)”</p>
<p>No, it’s not really bad that you care about it now. As a high school senior who just successfully completed a very difficult and selective admissions process, it’s only natural for you to be overly defensive and elitist. It will, however, be a problem if you don’t let go of this petty “college admissions selectivity = absolute worth” once you actually start college. Because here’s the thing: it doesn’t matter whether or not the college admissions process is less “selective” or not. While Barnard is an independent institution with an identity and mission, it is still part of the Columbia community. As monydad pointed out, there is a long historical tradition that informs the relationship between Columbia and Barnard. Columbia takes pride in its liberal arts college, but also its affiliation with Barnard, its unique GS program for non-traditional students, and its undergraduate engineering school SEAS. As a CC student, you’re going to be in classes with students who you might deem unworthy because their schools are less “selective” than yours, but if you object to that, then why did you choose Columbia? So just chill out, enjoy the opportunities you’ve been given, and don’t treat others as second-class citizens because of their race, gender, religion, or undergraduate school.</p>
<p>Very well said, pwoods. Now, let’s enjoy our summers.</p>
<p>This whole conversation is idiotic. Both Barnard and Columbia are very prestigious schools (columbia may be better but a lot of bright women attend barnard as witnessed in this thread). The fact that dietpepsi hasn’t been to columbia already (meaning that he/she is just an incoming freshman and hasn’t actually been immersed into its atmosphere) and that he/she is just arguing by the info he/she has heard from others, proves that this is so biased. I recommend that diet go to columbia and meet some of the barnard girls and decide for him/herself. If there have been real instances where a barnard person has not felt unwelcomed in the columbia community, then I guess it just depends on the type of person with whether they still want to continue with barnard or not.
Since people like diet have been shortcutting barnard with their frustrated comments, it is only logical that the barnard folks prove themselves. It does not mean that they are desperate to show how important their school is (in fact they are just as angry about how some ill-informed people are downgrading their school’s name). It is basic etiquette to treat people nicely. If a barnard student is able to handle the columbia curriculum, then there should not be any problem. Have we not learned anything from high school??? In high school we have experienced all types of people and suddenly some people start having issues in college? (Why?) </p>
<p>I’m sure this issue is not that great in Columbia and diet is just making a great fuzz out of it. But just for future info, such threads are childish and hurt other students. If someone similar to diet has issues like him/her, then I suggest they should just mind their own business and try to get the most out of columbia.</p>