Bates vs. Wesleyan vs. Hamilton vs. Colgate

<p>I’ve applied to Wesleyan, Bates, Hamilton and Colgate.</p>

<p>I really like the curriculum at each school, and I understand that each has a decent mathematics department. All of the schools appear to be very good preparation for grad school. Being able to double major outside the maths and sciences is also important and appears to be possible at all of these schools.</p>

<p>I am looking for:
– a collaborative environment
– casual music (instrumentally, not as a major)
– non-varsity level of swimming or crew (somewhat seriously, but leaving academics as a priority)
–active outing club/or similar</p>

<p>I was also wondering what differences there are in the social atmosphere between the schools.</p>

<p>Hi Cam,</p>

<p>I am a senior and was just admitted ED to Bates. I did, however, also visit Hamilton and Colgate, so I hope I can help. Unfortunately, I don’t know much about Wesleyan. </p>

<p>Why I chose Bates:
-There is DEFINITELY a collaborative environment. One dining hall, no frats/sororities. Everyone is extremely friendly and welcoming.
-There are many options for clubs and intramurals. I’m sure you’d be able to find a club swim team. Not sure about crew. You can easily start you own club. I’m looking to ski and play field hockey on the side so I can focus on academics, and Bates provides the perfect opportunity for me to do so.
-The outing club sounds fantastic. You can rent FREE equipment! Also, Maine is beautiful and perfect for outdoor activities.
-Students create their own GEC (General Education Concentration), allowing them to dabble in many fields. This will be helpful if you want to focus on both math and science.</p>

<p>Hamilton was my second choice. I’d say it’s pretty similar to Bates. Great sense of community, a variety of club sports, outing club… Double majors are definitely possible.</p>

<p>I wasn’t a huge fan of Colgate. I didn’t feel a huge sense of community, but maybe I’m completely wrong. I guess I just found it to be a very preppy school, which some people love. There are definitely plenty of great club sports. </p>

<p>Sorry that I couldn’t tell you about Wesleyan and only a bit about Hamilton and Colgate. Obviously I’m biased :slight_smile: Good luck in choosing the right school for you! All of these schools are wonderful; you just have to find the one that fits your personality best!</p>

<p>They are four great choices. I know Bates very well and the poster above is right on - if you are looking for close knit, friendly, open atmosphere, it might be the best of all of them. Very strong well rounded students across the liberal arts and sciences, and they are fun/friendly/athletic/artistic/outdoorsy in a nice balance. Hamilton and Colgate are more conservative/traditional on the spectrum. Students are more likely to be preprofessional, rather than march to their own drummer. But they are both great communities. Bates and Wesleyan are closer to one another in culture, but Wesleyan has more of an urban vibe with proximity to NYC and diversity, while Bates is more “aggressively rural.” </p>

<p>If you’re looking for outdoor life, music that you can casually participate in, I’d say Bates/Wesleyan are closer than Colgate/Hamilton, in general. Colgate has much more competitive sports across the board, and is not known well for music.</p>

<p>Thanks batesie17 and NEwonk, the feedback is appreciated!</p>

<p>Does anyone know if Bates has a non-varsity crew team?</p>

<p>What kind of specific opportunities are there for music outside the classroom?</p>

<p>Cam-
I’m pretty sure Bates doesn’t have club crew but the Bates rowing program welcomes walk-ons and a high percentage of students on campus participate in sports.</p>

<p>[Bates</a> College Rowing | Reports From The Front](<a href=“http://www.sparksconsult.com/reports-from-the-front/peter-steenstra-and-bates-college-rowing/]Bates”>http://www.sparksconsult.com/reports-from-the-front/peter-steenstra-and-bates-college-rowing/)</p>

<p>One of the things I loved about Bates when I attended was the way athletes and non-athletes interacted. There was no sense that jocks stuck to their crowd and non-athletes to theirs. Everyone mixed it up in the dorms and the dining commons. I understand from kids who currently attend the school that that hasn’t changed. In general I found it made for a richer, more friendly environment.</p>

<p>Hi! So I was accepted Early Decision at Bates, and I I’m beyond excited. I looked at Hamilton, Colgate, and Wesleyan as well, and this is what I took from each:</p>

<p>Hamilton - Hamilton was my second choice, and from what I have gathered, it was the second choice of most current students at Bates as well. They’re very similar schools down to their climates and equal academic rigor. Clinton, NY is a very nice town and a short walk from campus and is overall a much nicer college town than Lewiston. However, I found the party culture at Hamilton, which is slightly more centered around drugs rather than alcohol, to be a bit concerning. I’m all for having a good time, but I’m not really into cocaine. In addition, I’m a recruited athlete, and sports at Bates are a much bigger. There’s a lot more student involvement at Bates, and the teams are a lot better, as well as more fan involvement. Other than that, Hamilton is an excellent school, and I really did consider very much going there. </p>

<p>Colgate - I didn’t look at Colgate as seriously merely because it’s Division I (however small it is, Division I nonetheless). However, I did get a lot from it anyway. It’s larger than Bates, but like Bates, and maybe much more because it’s Division I, the sports are very competitive and there is a lot of fan involvement. It’s a great time, as well as being a very rigorous academic school. However, the main thing that pushed me away from Colgate was not the fact that they have a Greek system, but the prevalence of it. I didn’t know if I would be allowed to be in the system because of athletics (sometimes coaches don’t allow it), so I didn’t want social life to be dominated by a system I wasn’t a part of. But it is very similar to Bates in almost every other way. </p>

<p>Welseyan - I loved Wesleyan. It’s probably the second largest NESCAC school behind Trinity, which was definitely a driving factor in my liking it. It’s a much more artsy crowd than Bates, Hamilton, and Colgate, but they do have their fair share of non-artsy students as well (I would be one of them). The campus is lovely, and the college town is as well. Their sports are generally weak, as is their “traditional” school spirit, but I did find that everyone there was friendly and extremely happy to be there. I just wasn’t exactly right for the school–perhaps it was my lack of artsiness. But it really is wonderful.</p>

<p>I realize in rereading this I’ve made it sound as if I chose Bates, or college in general, on athletics alone. I didn’t. All four of these schools are academically very rigorous, which is what I was aiming for, and I in no way compromised my education for my sport. In fact, besides the coach at Bates being the best I met, I probably could have played on a better team. This is why I chose Bates:</p>

<p>I loved how it has one dining hall. I felt that that really fostered community, plus it means that whenever you go in Commons, you’re bound to know someone there simply because it’s the only place to go. I love Bates’ school spirit–every single person I met was so extremely happy to be going there. In fact, Bates makes a point in admissions to favor those who have shown a lot of interest and most likely rank Bates as their top choice. The people were tremendous, truly some of the nicest, most well-rounded people I’ve ever met. They’re all extremely smart, but none are pretentious or immodest. Everyone was friendly, and everyone was very eager to tell me a zillion reasons I should come to Bates. I also love Maine, despite being from the Midwest. The campus is beautiful, and while Lewiston is a work in progress, the environment of Maine in general has a lot to offer. Plus, who doesn’t love making snowmen?</p>

<p>I wish you lots of luck in your college process! Really you can’t go wrong with any of those schools… but in my mind Bates will always be the best! Go Bobcats!</p>

<p>I am familiar with all the schools mentioned, and agree with the posters.They don’t call me “OldBatesiedoc” for nothing!
Colgate is near us, very preppy and frat life very important. Wesleyan is more “hipster”</p>

<p>Bates has the BEST outing club, with all of Maine as a playground, great equipment to use or rent, and lots of sponsored trips.
Rowing on the Androscoggin is lots of fun.</p>

<p>Bates is one of the “Colleges that Change lives”, and also tops for those entering helping professions. It has an environment of equality and egalitarianism going back to its abolitionist roots, where it accepted both Women and African Americans in the 1800s, well ahead of Middlebury, and a century ahead of many other like schools.I am proud of my Bates background, and you will be someday, too.</p>

<p>I’m pretty sure Bates is not one of the “Colleges That Change Lives”. But other than that, I’d agree with the good stuff you said about Bates.
[CTCL</a> Members | Colleges That Change Lives](<a href=“http://ctcl.org/colleges/list]CTCL”>http://ctcl.org/colleges/list)</p>

<p>“I’m pretty sure Bates is not one of the “Colleges That Change Lives”.”</p>

<p>You’re right about that - although it is a fabulous place!</p>

<p>Btw, if one has any sensibility at all I think all colleges change lives…Bates, especially!</p>