BC offering ED1 & ED2 this fall?

Purse spin (and I always believed that BC was better than that). Specifically, Northwestern, Duke, Vanderbilt and Penn are “peer” schools only in the Adcom Dean’s dreams.

@bluebayou you may be right, but to be fair, admissions officers at almost every school are in the “spin/exaggeration” business, which includes defining your peer group in a self flattering way.

The peer school that is not mentioned on the Adcom’s list is Villanova, which has been nipping at BC’s heels in the Catholic college pecking order. Nova has used their ED program as part of a successful strategy to increase applications, selectivity and yield the past few years.

if they were really concerned about the number of early action applicants they wouldn’t have remove the restriction from the restricted early action which caused all the increased apps this year.

Or they could have gone to single choice early action instead of ED, like the tippity top schools have.

But one big difference is that 'Nova does not come close to meeting full financial need. They do offer merit aid to the top ~5% of their class, however.

Bingo. The only benefit ED offers to BC is to the its financial aid department. (There are other ways to manage the total # of applications. For example use the same supplemental questions but cap the response at 100 or 150 words.)

I applied ED to Vanderbilt and EA to BC. If BC had had a ED/RD set-up this year, Iwould have been waiting with masses for RD decisions in March. I didn’t get accepted to Vandy and now I think that was a blessing as BC looks to be a much better fit for me. The more I learn about the school, the better it looks. I am glad to see that they will have EDII which I think is a good middle ground option. BTW - Vandy ED does allow you to back out if the FA didn’t meet your personal needs. I assume that BC will have the same agreement.

Sent my deposit to BC last week and am ready for dorm notices and roommate selections.
Having the EA acceptance allowed me to decline the 5 acceptances I received from other schools which I hope opens up slots for deferrals and frees up the merit aid that they were offering as well.

Still have RD decisions pending from Rice and Duke but I’ve made up my mind.

@bluebayou

Purse spin (and I always believed that BC was better than that). Specifically, Northwestern, Duke, Vanderbilt and Penn are “peer” schools only in the Adcom Dean’s dreams. So while it is true that those schools have ED, it’s as meaningless as saying Harvard has REA

As you said in this quote BC is not a peer to more selective schools and that many top students can get into BC readily and many other selective schools as we debated on this thread, I’m unclear as to your strong opposition to BC going in this direction.

Most of the ED studies that claim income discrimination to ED were published when acceptance rates were much higher. I have not not seen a thread where a student was not released from ED when there was not agreement on financial aid from any school.

ED is designed for students that are certain they want to attend a school if admitted. Out of the 41 schools that are need blind and don’t offer ED, BC is in the top 3 of total applicant once you remove the Ivies that don’t have ED.Is there something wrong with Jesuits focusing their resources first on students that have BC as their first choice ?

If all schools did not have ED and BC introduced it I can understand the strong opposition based on Jesuit beliefs.

BC is not on the same level as NW, Duke, Rice, Vandy, etc., as far as admissions. I just looked at my kid’s high school’s Naviance. (High school is a very highly rated private in a large state, but does not have national prominence.) Frankly, BC does not look like a difficult admit, but keep in mind that 90% of the applicants (at least) were full pay. Every single early applicant with GPA above 3.5 weighted and SAT above 1300 was accepted (17 total over 3 years I think) and similar story for those applying with ACT over 30 (12 total). Regular decision was 6 for 7 with those stats. It almost looks like a safety for moderately high stats, full pay kids.

That is most certainly not the experience of kids from our high school applying to those other schools (Rice in particular has been extremely tough in RD, with multiple 4.6W GPA, 1570+ SAT kids rejected.)

“Is there something wrong with Jesuits focusing their resources first on students that have BC as their first choice ?”

Yes, because kids who have BC as their number 1 choice but ** have to compare financial aid offers/b cannot apply ED. They have to wait until late March to get those FA packages from RD schools and ED expects you to decide either way shortly after ED acceptance - which is December for ED.

So only the kids who have BC as their #1 choice and don’t have to worry about money get the benefits of ED - and the RD pool shrinks.

Look at Tufts - 50% of class filled ED.

Single Choice Early action would be the Jesuit thing to do. Also, not charging 70K a year would be the Catholic/parochial thing to do.

But why do they have to compare FA offers? If BC is their first choice, and the ED FA offer is sufficient, they’re done and can relax. If the ED FA offer is insufficient, nothing is lost, and they apply elsewhere.

Because they have no idea what they are actually getting until the FA comes in which is way after they have decided on they were doing ED. NPC is not accurate for many many families.

Plus, if you are in the running for Gabelli, you won’t find out in time either.

I’m guessing zero students that apply ED will ever get Gabelli.

@SatchelSF
They had 16,000applicants and accepted less than 30 percent with an average ACT of 34 and 1470 SAT
So clearly they got many perfect scores to make up for your high school admits. Not sure how Naviance let’s you know who is full pay.

@suzyQ7
To many applicants at all good schools to abolish ED. All ED admittance with FA offers are in before RD is due. If not can withdraw and RD. In a perfect world no ED and can compare offers. There is no need as they have more than enough applicants. They don’t need to play let’s make a deal. BC is a non profit that reinvests like mist universities in their faculty and facilities. So not sure how they can play in the elite arena with less revenue. Again many less costly schools of finance is driving force. The less applicants and maybe tuition goes down. Lol


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Frankly, BC does not look like a difficult admit, but keep in mind that 90% of the applicants (at least) were full pay. Every single early applicant with GPA above 3.5 weighted and SAT above 1300 was accepted (17 total over 3 years I think) and similar story for those applying with ACT over 30 (12 total)<<

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Satchel SF???..I’m sorry…perhaps my Thorazine hasn’t kicked in yet? What the H - E double hockey sticks are you talking about? Are you really saying that every EA applicant with a GPA > 3.5 weighted/30 ACT and 1300 SAT were accepted by BC…Is that what you are saying? Cause you are WAYYY wrong if that is what you are saying…So, I hate to come across sideways at you but, one of us is tripping…Please rewash, spin and dry…and most of all CHECK YOUR BC EA/RD STATS…You might want to start here http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/boston-college/2110111-boston-college-class-of-2023-early-action-thread.html#latest …Thank you.

@bbfan1927 Satchel was sharing the BC admissions data from his S’s HS Naviance

^ I’m just reporting the recent Naviance data at our high school. Every kid who applied early with GPA above 3.5W and SAT above 1300 was accepted. Few kids with truly top stats appear to apply but there are many 4.0W plus 1350 to 1400 SAT. A few kids accepted below 1300 as well but the odds go way down.

I am assuming that the overwhelming number of kids are full pay because the high school costs $35K (plus donations) and they advertise that only about 15% receive any financial aid. Many kids live in $3M+ homes. A few billionaires.

I was blown away to see that BC has decided to go “all in” on ED (ED1 and ED2) the year after dropping its restrictions on its EA program. Such different directions! Makes one wonder what is driving all of these decisions, and I don’t think it relates to any consideration of what is best for potential applicants.

Will BC get better students? I don’t think so. The ED and RD applicant pool will not include those who apply and get in to Georgetown and ND early, or any students who applied this last year ED to any number of schools. But one might argue that these students, even if they had applied to BC, were mostly going to end up elsewhere. But what BC will get is up to half of their admitted class at a 100% yield rate, pumping their overall yield up over 30% probably. It is actually really interesting to look at the RD yields of many schools of with ED. They are often surprisingly low and speak to the reality of their competitive position in the college landscape despite a high “overall yield” (including ED). But that is for another post! It will be interesting to see if the culture changes at BC (not that it may need to, I am just reacting to some comments made above) where more students feel like they got into their number one choice (BC) as a result of participating in an ED round. BC is a great school and students there should never feel that they have ended up going to to a second rate school. It is just that BC competes in the twin vortices of the top catholic schools and northeast ivies/LACS where BC ends up often as a second or third choice among those cohorts - though a great one. BC’s enrolled student stats are strong. Not as strong as the admitted class, but they do not suffer the fall off that some other schools experience (BU for example). BC’s applicant pool has never been the biggest due to its position as a Catholic school, but it has been a strong and increasingly better pool.

Word of caution too. No one knows how “preferential” BC will be in its ED admissions rates as this is the first year, and the various early round steps of the past couple of years contributes to uncertainty as to how the process will be managed. Students won’t want to throw away other options until they have a sense of how much of an admission advantage they will get in BC’s ED round. And ED2 generally confers much more limited admissions advantages, but it is better than RD if BC is the first choice standing at that point…

From the students’ perspective, while ED can make sense for some applicants who truly value one school above all others, there are a lot of students who feel compelled to cut their losses and apply ED to a school to enhance their chances of acceptance to one of several top schools - the others of which might prove more competitive (@bbfan1927 - BC, GT and ND examples). Of course, with so many of the top schools having ED programs, it is increasingly difficult to apply early to several high quality schools without restriction - making the ED choice almost mandatory for many many applicants - particularly in view of the ridiculous RD admission rates at ED schools. But this obviously leaves some students with the sense that they may have left something on the table.

For my son, the choice was simple. Apply ED somewhere or go very broadly EA at the best available schools (ND, Georgetown, BC, Michigan, UVA). He chose the latter as, like many college seniors in October, he had preferences but no clear top choice - and he wanted to have some choices.He also did end up throwing in applications in the RD round to several top schools that had ED, but with single digit admission rates in that round the results were predictable. For him, the EA process worked out well as he ended up having choices and going to a school that he absolutely has fallen in love with - and just was not there at the time of application given limited exposure. Having four months to navigate that process after admission was a blessing in disguise.

I totally get why BC is doing this. At the same time, I think they could have done a lot more to try to capture yield from its EA admits. They have a head start on these kids, and a more targeted effort might have proven more effective. My son got personal invites to events from other EA schools that he was admitted to, while BC just referenced him to a website where there were some events listed an hour and a half away.

Lastly, I agree with @bluebayou as to what the “right thing to do” is for BC. That is to follow their Jesuit ideal and go for SCEA or go back to REA. I just think that BC has some unique yield issues as a result of the schools that they are competing with for applicants, that will be hard to address meaningfully in the short term. And they are tired of being a punching bag on the yield issue as compared to equivalent schools that have ED, and perhaps processing financial aid applications for kids who are not likely to show up. As I wrote above, follow the RD yield if you really want to get a sense of where kids want to go.

It will be very interesting to see that the BC ED applicant pool looks like and how many of these students BC elects to admit. Hopefully there will be room on the back end for many other highly qualified students.

My boys go to school on Long Island and I can tell you with 100 percent certainty you can’t rely on Naviance stats. I went and looked at my boys info and it was wrong. The SAT scores are not always updated and either are the GPAs. Garbage in the computer, garbage out!

I guess it depends on the school. Ours is extremely accurate.

^Well, we all only know what we know, but I can say that our Naviance appears to be accurate based on personal knowledge of specific kids in the last cycle. It’s a fairly small high school, and the kids and parents pretty much know who’s who. The GPA and standardized tests are automatically entered even for freshman.

Satchel…No offense…why don’t you broaden you research a bit. go through the thread I provided and note the students that were not accepted. You might want to also check PrepScholor.com- their data is very accurate…

Guys. Does it really matter. If you get into Carroll you are definately a peer school with the listed options. Excluding penn and duke. But 25 years ago none of these were that difficult. And naviance is also dated info. It is backward looking. It doesn’t match the past few years upward spike. But in the end. Ok.

Ok. Duke is better. I guess. Unless the quality of your time there matters. If we are talking best stickers on the Volvo sure vandy and northwestern are better. Once again. I guess.

Also BC has wonderful nursing school and fully devoted school of education. And great grad schools. Definately some old school Jesuit ideals at work. Not everyone is going to be a leader in finance and engineering. But that’s coming too.

Depends on the student. But BC has worked out for some really special people. I think the students will be ok.

@bbfan1927 - No offense taken. I’m just reporting what I see at our school. Don’t shoot the messenger :slight_smile:
Our Naviance does not have class of 2023 results in there yet (all acceptances are marked at end of year). I see in that thread that this year EA applications are up at BC 54%! Maybe acceptance rates at our school will be down significantly this year.

I’ll report back in a few months!