<p>I’ve searched for but have not found any stories about a roommate being beaten, the alleged murderer’s dad being an abusive alcoholic, or several other claims being made in this thread.</p>
<p>Could you post a link or links?</p>
<p>In case it’s unclear…I’m not doubting what anyone has said…I’m just frustrated by my inability to find anything about what is being said in this thread.</p>
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<p>Every article I’ve read said that he was found in Dewitt NY which is near Syracuse and nowhere near the Canadian border. It is also the route he’d take from Brockport back to Utica.</p>
<p>This young man was a hockey player in high school, which was three years ago. There’s no indication he played for his college’s team. He was also a track star in high school. Maybe there’s something about running track that contributes to being an abuser. </p>
<p>Describing playing hockey as ‘in the culture of violent sport’ is a stretch. A long one. I know hundreds of hockey players including many in the NHL. I also know many girls and women who play hockey. I’ve never seen any evidence of any particular ‘culture’, nor do I know any who have been violent off the ice.</p>
<p>Romani is absolutely right. Trying to tie this type of tragedy to a sport played by the perpetrator does indeed demonstrate a gross lack of understanding of the issue.</p>
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<p>I myself have made no claims about any of the above. I DID say that I read many such claims in the comments section of the local paper, written by posters who claimed to have played hockey with or against the suspect, attended school with either the suspect or the victim (they were several years apart in school), or were friends of the family, both his and hers, or were friends of a purported victim in a sealed cased in which he was allegedly involved as a young adolescent. The comments section contained several references to a roommate who was also assaulted, but I have not seen any mention of a roommate in any of the news reports.</p>
<p>I suspect that there are claims being made in the comments section which are completely false, some which have an element of truth to them, and some which are spot on. However, it remains to be seen which ones are which. That’s why I specifically refrained from repeating anything about the alleged expunged case. There were many references in the comments section about the father being abusive, though I don’t recall reading anything about alcoholism. Many claimed to have witnessed the father being “very tough” on the kid during his hockey career, which puts him in the company of many others, yet doesn’t necessarily make him an abuser. </p>
<p>I’m sure we will hear more about all of the above in the months to come, just as we did in the UVA case. Any time you have a beautiful girl, an attractive and accomplished athlete, and a murder, there will be intense media scrutiny, with the mix of fact and fiction which inevitably accompanies such an event.</p>
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<p>I try to avoid name-calling if I can’t make a point.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1388897-boston-university-hockey-problems-2.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1388897-boston-university-hockey-problems-2.html</a></p>
<p>You are using a few data points to make a generalization. Even then you’re assuming that correlation = causation. </p>
<p>Fwiw, most good hockey players start playing by the age of 3/4/5. Do you really think that at that age, they are attracted to the sport because of some kind of aggression? </p>
<p>The sport that he played had nothing, I repeat, NOTHING to do with this murder. The sport did not teach him to be violent. The sport did not enhance his violence. You know what did? The fact that he was an abusive waste of skin. </p>
<p>What you’re saying is, quite frankly, an insult to athletes everywhere. And it almost feels like a justification of what he did. I do not believe you intend it that way, but when you shift blame away from HIM to any external factors, you are shifting blame and that goes into justification. Violence outside the rink is not tolerated in hockey or any other sports by the vast majority of athletes. You will always have outliers like this waste, the lacrosse player, and Vick- but they are NOT violent because of their sports.</p>
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<p>If you want to put words into my mouth or tell me what I’m thinking, please provide the courtesy of posting what I said so that I have some idea as to what you are talking about.</p>
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<p>Your opinion. I disagree.</p>
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<p>Nice science there.</p>
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<p>Only in your interpretation. I’m a former athlete.</p>
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<p>It would help if you tried to avoid reading my mind and just focused on what I write.</p>
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<p>The guy in Colorado killed a bunch of people and had a bunch of mental health problems. He has personal responsibility but I certainly believe that his mental health problems contributed to his act. There is free will and biology. There are certainly other people that have mental health problems and lead normal, everyday lives or have lots of problems living normal lives but they don’t go out and kill people.</p>
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<p>I never said that it is.</p>
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<p>I agree that you will have outliers but disagree in that I think that the violence in their sports contributes to their actions. Basically the and space in a Vend Intersection diagram.</p>
<p>BC, out of curiosity, what are you basing your opinions on?</p>
<p>Mine actually is based on statistics. Granted, the statistics that I’ve personally dealt with in DV training/work/education so I can’t verify the scientific accuracy of them. But I’m curious as to what you are basing your opinions on. I sincerely hope it is more than just news stories. </p>
<p>As intimate partner violence is my area of study, passion, and work, I am always interested in new and improved data.</p>
<p>The correct term is Venn Diagram.</p>
<p>Have to toss my hat in the ring to Romani here. People who beat and otherwise harm others just based on their emotions are sociopaths, plain and simple. Tragically, our recent history is full of them, from pampered athletes to an executive at the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.</p>
<p>Both the girl and her boyrfriend are from my area and my youngest DD has mutual friends of this girl. My oldest daughter actually has worked at the school in a student teaching capacity. That said, I can offer no details other than the fact that this community is numb over the whole situation. The community and school district these two young people are from is considered to be one of the most affluent and academically rigorous in the area. A good portion of students from this high school go on to top colleges. As we have learned from the UVA crimes, no one is immune to this kind of violence. As our general area of NYS is still reeling from the murder of Jenni-Lyn Watson at the hands of her estranged boyfriend almost 2 years ago (another college student who tragically died at the hands of her hometown boyfriend) it makes me wonder if enough attention is paid to young relationships and what kids today feel is “okay”. Of course we cannot speculate for sure at this point that there was prior abuse (only rumors) but certainly it does give pause to think about the merits of adding domestic violence education to the school curriculums starting in middle school (IMO). </p>
<p>While I know SUNY Brockport has come out and said that all security procedures were followed on this night I wonder if for the safety of all students should alarms be installed in dorm rooms that can be pulled in the event of a dangerous situation?</p>
<p>appreciate your post Momof3stars. This is such a tragedy for such a promising young woman. I like your suggestion to educate our children about what healthy relationships look and feel like, October is Domestic Violence Prevention Month, it is always important to educate ourselves and our kids.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.ncadv.org/files/DomesticViolenceFactSheet(National).pdf[/url]”>http://www.ncadv.org/files/DomesticViolenceFactSheet(National).pdf</a></p>
<p>You’re right, momof3stars, but unfortunately it’s not something that’s likely to be addressed in anything other than a special topics course in high school or college. As a society, we really don’t address it. When we do, it’s often far too late. </p>
<p>I work with a civic outreach program that works with young girls in at-risk situations. We do a lot of work with how to have strong relationships and how to avoid negative ones- whether it is intimate partner violence, family violence, or simply negative friendships. Unfortunately, there really just isn’t a lot of funding for these types of programs. And that’s to be expected when politicians call these programs “special interest” programs and defund them. There is some help available for those who are children survivors of family violence, but it’s stretched far beyond the limits and virtually none for general population programs. </p>
<p>Until we really, truly see intimate partner violence as a national emergency (which, given the horrifying statistics, it is) it will continue to be a relatively silent and misunderstood crime. Furthermore, people like to pretend that this type of thing can’t happen in their affluent, largely white, communities. It’s seen as an inner city problem or, worse yet, a problem that affects developing countries, but not us. As we’ve seen from this thread and others, the lack of understanding about this problem is glaring.</p>
<p>[Brockport</a> suffers loss of student - News - The Stylus - The College at Brockport](<a href=“http://www.thestylus.net/news/brockport-suffers-loss-of-student-1.2916762#.UGtqxPl24Vl]Brockport”>http://www.thestylus.net/news/brockport-suffers-loss-of-student-1.2916762#.UGtqxPl24Vl)
^Here’s an updated article from The Stylus (College of Brockport’s newspaper).</p>
<p>From the article:</p>
<p>“According to Kehoe, Koguts mother called UP for a welfare check because she hadnt heard from her daughter and was worried. Kehoe said the mother could not reach her daughter by cell phone.”</p>
<p>“It took less than 10 minutes from the time of the call to the time UP found her dead in her dorm. Police say she died between 1 and 2:30 a.m.”</p>
<p>A beautiful tribute to a young woman whose life was cut short way too soon.</p>
<p>[Rest</a> in Peace Alexandra Kogut, September 29th 2012 - YouTube](<a href=“Rest in Peace Alexandra Kogut, September 29th 2012 - YouTube”>Rest in Peace Alexandra Kogut, September 29th 2012 - YouTube)</p>
<p>Just to clear several things up on here that are being started by rumor, I am friends with someone who is good friends with Alex’s roommate. Her roommate was away at a swim meet with her team and would not be returning until the next day. She was NOT in the room and knocked out like someone said.
To another person who said Clayton was trying to leave the country… he was driving back towards Utica. Yes this area is close to Canada, but there would be no reason to go there. He’d never get through border customs.
I think everyone should slow down with the rumors and wait for official statements to be released. I know for one Alex’s roommate is traumatized and having an absolutely terrible time with everything.
And as far as bringing a sports related violence discussion in this thread, come on, take it somewhere else. Nobody needs to read that in here.</p>