Being Gone For 11th Grade

<p>My friend's daughter is doing a study abroad program in Spain for the entire 11th grade year. They have some concerns and I'm sure there are others you folks might have that we've not identified. This is a kid who would have been her sport's captain, the leader of much, yada yada, but her heart is in Spain and her parents have no problem, even if it means she may have to go to less than her first chance college. Anyone been there? Any opinions on the following?</p>

<p>*Doing almost all school work in Spanish for a year could compromise her CR SAT score. Should she take the SAT before leaving in September and spend the summer preparing?</p>

<p>*Can quality SAT tutoring be found in Spain?</p>

<p>*She will be giving up her sport for a year and her other key ECs What should I suggest to cover ECs/Comm Serv?</p>

<p>This is a very bright, high stat kid at a top high school. She will be aiming at top colleges. Any advice much appreciated.</p>

<p>zagat, I don't have the answers to your questions.</p>

<p>I started a thread about you.</p>

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<p>Where did your son end up?</p>

<p>Thanks for caring. Life has just been so busy, once we got the needed info, it seemed too much of a luxury to be here without a specific need. And the most specific need is to make some money to pay for college!! Son is pleased to be going to Duke.</p>

<p>This is still one of my favorite sites. While I don't often post, I do drop in to get answeres to questions I have or friends have. The answers always seem to be here. You may notice that I recently posted on moving to the Carolinas. Have you (Dstark) dhosen the retirement town? Any great suggestions for a summer beach experience? Best to all.</p>

<p>This morning my freshman daughter told me she would like to do her junior year in China! And, I said no way! Aside from my normal worries of too far, too long to get there in case of an emergency, comminications, etc., I thought about the academic impact - AP's? SATII's? Sciences and Math sequences? I did try to convince myself that I'd be open to a gap year when the time came. I'd consider a summer program for sure but I'm not open to either a year or a semester.</p>

<p>Zagat, nothing new on the retirement scene.</p>

<p>Congratulations to both your son and you on the Duke acceptance.</p>

<p>If she doesn't post here, PM CalMom. Her daughter spent her junior year in Russia, and it worked out very well for her in terms of helping, not hurting, her with admissions to top schools.</p>

<p>I would definitely think that the child who dares to go abroad would look much better as a candidate for admission than the kid with higher SAT scores who plays it safe and stays at the local high school. Moreover, learning a foreign language can INCREASE verbal scores, by making the learner more aware of peculiarities of English.</p>

<p>I went to England my junior year and my brother's now in Finland for his.</p>

<p>obviously I didn't have the language issue to contend with (and my brother may end up graduating a year late, essentially having done a gap year during instead of after high school) but it all worked out fine.</p>

<p>lots of kids will have good AP exam results; relatively few show the gumption and maturity to spend a year abroad. I can't recommend it enough</p>

<p>(one thing to consider is what it will be like living with your kid when s/he returns though...I was definitely a brat my senior year of high school, ticked about living with my parents again and wanting to be back in england or off at college or basically anywhere).</p>

<p>Zagat, my daughter went abroad for the first half of 11th grade, and when she came back took a reduced courseload because she wasn't allowed to pick up most courses mid-year. </p>

<p>End result: she has been admitted to Barnard, NYU, U. of Chicago, and Berkeley with mediocre test scores and a really wonky-looking transcript. But she wrote a really cool essay about her experiences abroad.</p>

<p>Also, although she was only gone for a semester, she came back much, much older than when she left. (Have you ever seen the movie Sabrina? A childish Audrey Hepburn goes off to Paris and a sophisticated and poised young woman returns, and now older guys want to date her? It was kind of like that - my daughter was 16 when she left and 22 when she got back after 4 months.)</p>

<p>Answers to some of your questions:</p>

<p>Doing almost all school work in Spanish for a year could compromise her CR SAT score. Should she take the SAT before leaving in September and spend the summer preparing? </p>

<p>I had my daughter take SATs in spring of sophomore year and then again after returning from time abroad. Score on the CR stayed the same (though they changed the test in the interim to remove the part she was really good at, analogies) -- but her writing score was awesome. </p>

<p>My daughter was in Russia and she said that she learned more about the English language than she had ever known before. My son reported the same experience after a month abroad in Thailand. Exchange students attend English clases in their host country, and foreign countries focus a whole lot on grammar, something that seems to be glossed over these days in American public schools. American students are embarrassed when they don't know basics about their own language, so they work hard to at least be able to respond with something other than a dumb stare when the teacher asks them to give an example for a "past perfect" verb form for the whole class. </p>

<p>Did you know what the accusative case is in English? My daughter does. She took the AP English Language exam when she got back without having taken the course and scored a 4. </p>

<p>Anyway: the answer is that the kids don't lose the English; their experience gaining fluency in language #2 tends to improve their appreciation for the nuances of their own language. </p>

<p>Can quality SAT tutoring be found in Spain?</p>

<p>Who knows, but I don't think you need it. Gaining true fluency in another language leads to growth of many new neural connections in the brain. Your friend's daughter will probably be fine with SAT-review books unless testing is particularly difficult for her. </p>

<p>She will be giving up her sport for a year and her other key ECs What should I suggest to cover ECs/Comm Serv? </p>

<p>Nothing. Time abroad in a non-English speaking country trumps the other, typical EC's. It's just a better, bigger EC in and of itself. </p>

<p>Also, while your friend's daughter is living abroad, she will be able to continue to do some EC-like activities. My daughter took dance class at a private studio in her small town in Russia. Teenagers in all parts of the world play sports and participate in other activities -- so those things can also be listed on the activity sheet for the college as well. </p>

<p>Some other advice:</p>

<p>1) Before your friend's daughter goes, she needs to arrange things with her home school in terms of what, if any, credit she will get for courses taken abroad, and how she will meet all graduation requirements for her high school. </p>

<p>My daughter did this - she even got written agreements signed by her school principal, school counselor, and Russian teacher. She also arranged to do independent study for 11th grade English, working with a teacher to develop a reading list in advance and sending back written assignments & essays by email. </p>

<p>Even after she did all this, when she got back and started senior year, the counselor still notified her -- in the fall, when it was too late for summer school - that she did not have enough required courses to graduate. This was worked out, but not without some angst. </p>

<p>2) Your friend's daughter should make sure she gets a written transcript or list of all courses taken and grades given from her host school. Sometimes it is hard to get an official transcript. With exchange students, they sometimes let them attend the school but never officially enroll them. You can get away without having an "official" transcript, but there at least needs to be some sort of list signed by someone at the school -- because as you can imagine this might be hard to document later on.</p>

<p>Wow, thanks for the great advice. This is a tough cookie of a young lady and we are all trying to help her mom relax.</p>

<p>Absolutely best thing my daughter could have done for herself. Lots of juggling & hassle, and that post-exchange senior year is a bear, because the kid simply becomes far to worldly to be ever be happy in high school again .... but it still was worth it. </p>

<p>Also, tell your friend that with modern technology she should be able to keep in touch with her daughter regularly. My daughter had an internationally-equipped GSM phone and we went to the plan that offered the maximum number of text messages for a flat fee. Voice calls were pricey (but not impossible in the case of an emergency), but text messaging cost the same as for domestic use. It is also possible to email or instant message to text & back. My d. also blogged regularly - she made it a point to go to an internet cafe once a week. </p>

<p>Also, the ATM thing works pretty well internationally too -- I opened a second, joint checking account with my daughter that I could fund through online transfers from my regular account -- so I was able to easily monitor the account and also keep it funded with an appropriate amount for a teenager, without having to worry about her having money lost or stolen. </p>

<p>So your friend won't miss her daughter nearly as much as she thinks.</p>