<p>I was wondering how many Berkeley graduates actually got into top business schools (i.e. Harvard, Stanford, Wharton, etc) last year? Berkeley itself doesn't seem to provide these numbers, and I can't find them on Google...</p>
<p>berkeley itself has an amazing business school though…-___-</p>
<p>yes… but just for the sake of this thread, let’s limit it to the top 3 schools</p>
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<p>While I don’t know about the number who got in last year, as that would require knowing about those who got in yet turned it down, according to the class cards information, there are about 17 former Berkeley undergraduates in the (current) HBS class of 2009. According to the HBS alumni database, there have been a total of 584 Berkeley graduates who have obtained MBA’s from HBS in its entire 100-year history. </p>
<p>As for whether those numbers are high or low relative to the competition, let’s look at the numbers from a geographical competitor, Stanford, and a public school competitor, Michigan. The respective numbers for Stanford are 38 and 1236, and for Michigan, 22 and 482. One can apply the appropriate corrections for size, given that Berkeley has far more undergrads than does Stanford, but fewer than Michigan. The immediate takeaway is that Berkeley is doing significantly worse than Stanford, but probably better than Michigan.</p>
<p>thanks a lot! That was very helpful. However, I can’t seem to find this database you refer to. So, would you mind terribly if you look up the number of UBC alumni (University of British Columbia) in Vancouver, Canada who got into HBS for comparison? Thanks!</p>
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<p>The real question is, do you have access?</p>
<p><a href=“Harvard Business School Login”>Harvard Business School Login;
<p>[HBS</a> Alumni](<a href=“http://apps.alumni.hbs.edu/navigator/index]HBS”>http://apps.alumni.hbs.edu/navigator/index)</p>
<p>But if you don’t believe my numbers, you can simply ask for somebody else who has access to the database, and they will surely verify what I have said. </p>
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<p>Again, there are no numbers regarding who gets into HBS. All I can report is who actually goes to HBS, and not everybody who gets in will actually go. HBS’s yield, at ~90%, is by far the highest of all of the B-schools, but is still not 100%. </p>
<p>But to answer your question, the numbers for UBC are 1 and 61. Note, for those who want to check the former number, I am deliberately excluding those students who were exchange students at UBC, who transferred out, or who otherwise were not actual bachelor’s degree recipients at UBC, as I don’t think those students really count as ‘undergraduates’. Unfortunately, I can’t perform the same checks for the latter figures which are therefore almost certainly inflated (as are my counterpart figures in post #4).</p>
<p>Wow, sakky is a huge blessing in this thread!</p>
<p>Can you check the University of Cambridge data? Thanks in advance!</p>
<p>And, if possible, Oxford too.</p>
<p>Cambridge is 1 and 264. However, it should be noted that, generally speaking, the MBA degree is an American phenomenon and is not highly prominent within Europe.</p>
<p>^ So, meaning, there could possibly be more Cambridge alumni doing MBA at HBS, correct, since the data you provided are for you the class of 2010 only and the number for the class of 2009 wasn’t added up yet? Thank you so much!</p>
<p>Got data from Oxford?</p>
<p>The data I have provided regards the class of 2009 only. </p>
<p>As far as the Class of 2010 is concerned, the number of former Cambridge undergrads is 4. </p>
<p>Oxford? The figures are 5 and 283.</p>
<p>I appreciate what you’ve shared. Thanks so much!</p>
<p>I can’t believe we’ve been beaten by Oxford on this one. lol</p>
<p>thanks a lot.</p>
<p>With regards to the database, I believe you completely. It’s just that I didn’t want to have to ask you everytime I wanted to look up something.</p>
<p>sakky (or anyone else that wants to answer), if my goal is to end up at HBS, would you say it’s better to get into Stern or Berkeley for undergrad?</p>
<p>I honestly don’t think its about the school you went to.
If you come out of Stern with poor grades and your job position isn’t impressive, I don’t think you’d be a strong candidate for HBS.
I think one of the main reasons why Stanford and the like are more successful than Cal in sending grads to HBS is because their students are career oriented, to begin with. In other words, those students went to Stanford undergrad and the like because their main motivation is an excellent career. Many large schools are not entirely like that. Large schools like Cal operate on a per department system. At Cal, BA majors/graduates, for example, are encouraged to pursue a career within/along their line of field. At schools like Brown or Dartmouth, for example, even their BA History/Philosophy graduates are encouraged to look for a career in banking and finance industry. That’s not a bad thing per se. I’m only showing you the different orientations there are at each school. </p>
<p>If you want to go to grad business school someday, I’d way to go to Haas. According to Businessweek, it’s the 3rd best feeder school to top MBA programs in the whole country. Stern isn’t in the top 10.</p>
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<p>Actually, I’m not entirely sure that’s true. Cal students seem to be just as career-oriented as Ivy or Stanford students. I certainly remember hordes of Berkeley liberal arts students trying to garner lucrative jobs in consulting or banking. The problem is not that they didn’t want such jobs, but that many (probably most) just couldn’t get them. </p>
<p>I might agree if most Berkeley BA grads really did end up taking jobs that were directly related to their line of study. However, the data shows little evidence of that contention. As an example, the vast majority of Berkeley’s English grads reportedly took jobs that had little if anything to do with the field of English. On the other hand, I see some rather interesting positions such as being a lumber puller (!?), a head cashier at Barnes & Nobles (hey, at least it was head cashier and not just a regular old cashier, right?), a cook, a chef, and sundry wait and bar staff. One person even became a Starbucks barista - a job you can get while still in high school. </p>
<p>Now, don’t get me wrong. I’m not trying to judge people’s careers. Maybe some of them wanted those jobs, and that’s perfectly fine. On the other hand, it’s hard for me to see how or why the Berkeley English department would actually encourage its graduates to take those kinds of jobs. Maybe it’s just me, but somehow I find it highly unlikely that the English department would recommend its students to take jobs at Starbucks. </p>
<p>[Career</a> Center - What Can I Do With a Major In…?](<a href=“http://career.berkeley.edu/Major2006/English.stm]Career”>http://career.berkeley.edu/Major2006/English.stm)</p>
<p>Hey Sakky, could you look up Rutgers University(New Brunswick if it says which specific campus) for the HBS database? I plan to apply as a transfer for Berkeley Business, but if that doesn’t work out, I’d love to know how many Rutgers grads are represented in the HBS database.</p>
<p>If we want to get our mba at schools out east like wharton, harvard, etc would ot be better to do undergrad stern or haas?</p>
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<p>Okay, let me say what I personally think about this.</p>
<p>To begin with, HYPSM students are generally more motivated than the average Cal students. The extremely talented, high achieving students would generally choose to go to HYPSM over Berkeley. There’s already a pattern here. HYPSM students are more homogeneous than Berkeley’s when it comes to the direction of their career path. Berkeley’s, due to its HUGE size, tends to be more diverse. </p>
<p>But the main important thing to consider here is, any capable Berkeley grad can compete with any HYPSM grads. This has been proven time and again that a top Berkeley grad can win against a top grad from other top schools. </p>
<p>If you’ll do well at Berkeley and end up, at say, top 25% of the graduating class, your opportunities would just be as those students coming out of HYPSM. And, as your ranking on your class rises, say you broke into the top 10, your opportunities would even be much better, or much better than the top half of HYPSM graduating class. </p>
<p>The problem with Berkeley is that, because it is HUGE… with an undergrad student population of more than half of the student bodies of HYPSM combined, not all its graduates can secure top, high-paying jobs, as evidenced by the link you posted. But even at HYPSM, I strongly suspect that such circumstances happen. HYPSM grads don’t always end up getting the top, high-paying jobs. I’m sure there are quite a few of them who did not get the job that they’ve always wanted. But because they’re quite few, they don’t seem to be noticed by the public. I personally know of a Harvard grad (Biology) who didn’t get a job that he has aimed for. He also didn’t get into a top med school. He’s now doing an MS in biology in a poorly rated public university in Ohio. And, he’s not the only guy from Harvard whose career didn’t shoot up in exactly as he had hoped for. He said he has college friends who are just as unlucky as he is. So, clearly, great schools’ records aren’t perfect. And, Berkeley, being HUGE and all, isn’t exempted from this.</p>
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<p>According to Businessweek, Berkeley’s Haas is top 3 in terms of MBA feeder school in the nation. Stern is not even in the top 10. But the survey is only limited to schools that offer undergraduate business programs. Of the HYPSM, only MIT is included int he survey. I would assume that Berkeley’s rank would slip a bit if HYPS and other elite privates would be included. But I would still think it would clinch in the top 10, as Haas grads are just as motivated as those grads from HYPS and other elite private schools.</p>
<p>[The</a> Top Undergraduate Business Programs](<a href=“http://bwnt.businessweek.com/interactive_reports/undergrad_bschool_2009/index.asp?sortCol=mba_feeder_school_rank&sortOrder=1&pageNum=1&resultNum=51]The”>http://bwnt.businessweek.com/interactive_reports/undergrad_bschool_2009/index.asp?sortCol=mba_feeder_school_rank&sortOrder=1&pageNum=1&resultNum=51)</p>
<p>MBA feeder school… hmmm… As in, top MBA programs? Or just going to grad programs in general?</p>