<p>Does anyone have the links to the list of undergrad institutions of some of the top business schools such as Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, MIT and Tuck?</p>
<p>It's not especially useful even if they do, since such a list can't control for the baseline characteristics of the students.</p>
<p>I'd like to find out which undergrad schools send off (more) students to top b-schools. I'd also want to find out which undergrad foreign universities that do. I'd like to know how many graduates from my former university have been accepted into Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, Tuck and the like. I think that would be helpful for the applicants.</p>
<p>My point is that of course the most selective undergraduate universities will send the most kids to selective b-schools -- but it's not necessarily BECAUSE of the undergraduate school. It's impossible to say where the effect is coming from.</p>
<p>I know what you're trying to say, but data like that could also be a guide to prospective MBA aspirant. Through the data, you would know how many, more or less, have been accepted into the top business schools. You would also know which business schools are kind of accommodating towards which undergrad schools. I tend to believe that even top business schools have biases or preferences towards specific undergrad schools, whether we like it or not.</p>
<p>Such a study would just fuel the notion that you must go to a top undergrad in order to attend a top graduate business school. This would discourage applicants from less prestigious undergrads from applying while encouraging those from prestigious undergrads.</p>
<p>A high percentage of MBA students at top schools are from prestigious universities. However, that specific factor is not given much weight by admissions.</p>
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I'd like to know how many graduates from my former university have been accepted into Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, Tuck and the like. I think that would be helpful for the applicants.
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<p>Just for the hell of it, I took a look at the number of students in my graduating class* (of ~600) from Chulalongkorn University. There were three - so yes, foreign top schools are recognized.</p>
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<li>Top 5 (USNWR) B-school</li>
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Such a study would just fuel the notion that you must go to a top undergrad in order to attend a top graduate business school. This would discourage applicants from less prestigious undergrads from applying while encouraging those from prestigious undergrads.</p>
<p>A high percentage of MBA students at top schools are from prestigious universities. However, that specific factor is not given much weight by admissions.
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<p>Discourage? I don't think so. Most MBA aspirants are old enough (mature) to make an evaluation of themselves whether or not they stand a chance at those business schools they wish to attend. Any student who has got the stats (and a gut feel) that he would make it into his target schools would fight for his chances, regardless of the college he attended. A magna cum laude in mechanical engineering from Cal Poly, for example, with 5 solid years of work experience is just as competitive as those students coming out from Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, MIT and the like. So, if anything, the data would even encourage him to apply to top business schools (HBS, Stan, Haas, Tuck, Sloan, Wharton etc.) so that his undergrad alma mater school would be represented. There is self fulfilment and great honour if you're one of the few representatives from your undergrad school, more so if you're a lone representative of your undergrad school.</p>
<p>The reason for the procurement of such data would probably be more helpful for INTERNATIONAL students/applicants. Most top b-schools have very high percentage of Int'l students. At HBS alone, about 350-400 students each year come from outside of the US. I know my undergrad school (University of the Philippines, or popularly known as, UP) is well represented this year. HBS took in 7 students from my former school this year alone. But HBS accepted only 3 students from UP a year ago. Two years ago there were only 2. But 4 years ago, there were 11. There was even a year where there was only 1 student accepted from UP. But there was also a year where there were 15, the highest ever for my former college. In other words, there's really no trend for Int'l applicants. And such data would not discourage the applicants from applying to the schools they would really want to attend. </p>
<p>BTW, no one got into Berkeley-Haas from my former school this year while there were 2 who got into Stanford. But that won't discourage me from applying to Haas. </p>
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Just for the hell of it, I took a look at the number of students in my graduating class* (of ~600) from Chulalongkorn University. There were three - so yes, foreign top schools are recognized.</p>
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<p>Which business school did you go, my friend? I have heard a lot of positive reviews about Chula. That’s the number 1 school in Thailand, right? Is that the one considered as the National university of Thailand too? I also have heard of Thamasat and Assumption University.</p>
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Discourage? I don't think so. Most MBA aspirants are old enough (mature) to make an evaluation of themselves whether or not they stand a chance at those business schools they wish to attend.
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<p>As we all know, the top business schools are disproportionately filled with students from very good schools (at least for those students from the US). Thus, such a study would only reinforce this idea, and in many applicants eyes would become another criteria just like GMAT score and Undergrad GPA. </p>
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Any student who has got the stats (and a gut feel) that he would make it into his target schools would fight for his chances,
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<p>Yet, this would just be another "stat" which the applicant from an unranked undergrad school would not have. Are people discouraged from applying to Harvard/Wharton/Stanford if they have a lower GMAT score? Of course. Lower GPA? Yes. Why would this statistic be any different? Those applications are extremely time consuming and very few have the luxury of applying to all schools. They generally focus on the schools which they feel they have a legitimate shot at getting into.</p>
<p>Anyway, I think the bottom line is clear.</p>
<p>If you find such a list, please don't be discouraged by the proportion of elite US students there. That's (partly?) just a selection effect.</p>
<p>Power grid: I recognize you from another post. I can tell you about Haas anecdotally. It has a very significant representation of Ivy League, Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA, prestigious LACs. But it by no means is limited to that. What one studied undergrad as well as what field one entered following undergrad is extremely important. Your example of the Cal Poly grad is spot on...</p>
<p>I have never known a business school to publish these stats for external use, not systematically at any rate. That doesn't mean they don't.</p>
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Which business school did you go, my friend? I have heard a lot of positive reviews about Chula. That’s the number 1 school in Thailand, right? Is that the one considered as the National university of Thailand too? I also have heard of Thamasat and Assumption University.
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<p>I went to one of the schools in the Chicago area so you have a 50/50 shot at guessing correctly;) And I'd assume that the schools you mentioned are top notch as well.</p>
<p>Tuck grads ranked by highest representation of UGs:</p>
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<li> Dartmouth</li>
<li> Harvard</li>
<li> Middlebury</li>
<li> Stanford</li>
<li> Penn</li>
<li> Princeton</li>
<li> Cornell</li>
<li> Yale</li>
<li> Williams</li>
<li>Tufts</li>
<li>UVA</li>
<li>BC</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Bowdoin</li>
<li>Duke</li>
<li>Colgate</li>
<li>Amherst</li>
<li>Holy Cross</li>
<li>Colby</li>
<li>Georgetown</li>
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<p>About 40% of students come from one of these 20 schools.</p>
<p>^ Inadvertantly left out MIT, which should be #15.</p>
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The reason for the procurement of such data would probably be more helpful for INTERNATIONAL students/applicants. Most top b-schools have very high percentage of Int'l students. At HBS alone, about 350-400 students each year come from outside of the US. I know my undergrad school (University of the Philippines, or popularly known as, UP) is well represented this year.
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As we all know, the top business schools are disproportionately filled with students from very good schools (at least for those students from the US).
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If you find such a list, please don't be discouraged by the proportion of elite US students there.
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<p>We have to keep in mind that many of the best internationals themselves attended top US schools for undergrad. </p>
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Does anyone have the links to the list of undergrad institutions of some of the top business schools such as Harvard
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<p>I don't have a 'link', but trust me when I tell you that this information is correct regarding the number of times that a particular school is represented amongst the HBS alumni ever since data has been collected. Note, the following is the list of those who graduated from the MBA program at HBS, and hence doesn't include any of the other programs at HBS (i.e. the doctoral programs, the exec-ed programs, etc.). Note also that some schools may be counted twice. For example, if a person attended multiple schools (i.e. a transfer), then both of those schools may be counted. </p>
<p>We should also note that schools differ greatly in population and that geographic preference plays a large role. Furthermore, we should note that these are the numbers for the people who graduated, which is clearly not the same as the number of people who were admitted. Some people who are admitted choose not to go. Of those that go, some don't graduate (usually because they drop out to pursue a business opprtunity). </p>
<p>Harvard University (3254)<br>
Yale University (1498)<br>
Princeton University (1307)<br>
Stanford University (1204)<br>
Mass. Inst. of Tech. (1002)<br>
Penn., University of (886)<br>
Dartmouth College (776)<br>
Cornell University (751)<br>
Brown University (737)<br>
Calif, U of,Berkeley (548)<br>
Mich, U of,Ann Arbor (468)<br>
U.S. Naval Academy (452)<br>
U.S. Military Academy (438)<br>
Williams College (429)<br>
Duke University (428)</p>
<p>And, since I can anticipate I am going to be asked for it, let me list the number from the University of the Phillipines:</p>
<p>Philippines, Univ of (30)</p>
<p>Thanks for providing that, sakky.</p>
<p>Is that record/data complete or does it include HBS MBA grads from the first year HBS awarded MBA degree? Or that's just for 20 year-period record?</p>
<p>Sakki,
I really appreciate what you did. Is the figure from UP run in an entire figure from the first year HBS awarded MBA or it was just a specific duration of time?</p>
<p>If it's not too much to ask from you, can you also check if how many did graduate from the following schools:</p>
<p>Ateneo de Manila University
De La Salle University
University of Santo Tomes
University of Asia and the Pacific
University of San Carlos
Far Eastern University
University of the East
Silliman University
Mindanao State University</p>
<p>All schools are top competitors of UP in the Philippines. If the list is just too long for you, even the first 4 schools would do.</p>
<p>Again, I appreciate your help and hope you could do this for me for one last time.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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Is that record/data complete or does it include HBS MBA grads from the first year HBS awarded MBA degree? Or that's just for 20 year-period record?
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<p>The data stretches as far back as the database goes, which extends back to even the founding year of HBS.</p>
<p>Now, as far as data completeness goes, there is no doubt that there must be some gaps within the data. The biggest gap is, obviously, that inclusion of one's college is voluntary and many people have simply chosen to omit it. Hence, I can pull up the person's name, but I cannot see where that person went for college. Furthermore, I suspect that some graduates have probably asked not to be included in the database at all for privacy purposes, and I am sure that other data is missing. No database is ever truly complete. Nevertheless, it is the best data that is available.</p>
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If it's not too much to ask from you, can you also check if how many did graduate from the following schools:
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<p>Ateneo De Manila U (46)
De La Salle U Manila (18)
Santo Tomas, Univ of (1)
San Carlos,U of,Guat (1)
East, Univ. of The (8)</p>
<p>I can't find any of the others listed. Note, that doesn't necessarily mean that they didn't have any graduates. It may mean that they are listed under some other permutation of the college's name. </p>
<p>Furthermore, like I said before, some people choose not to list their undergrad alma mater at all. So when I said that the UPhilippines had 30 grads who later attained HBS MBA's, it would have been more accurate to say that UPhilippines had 30 such grads who were willing to disclose their college alma mater. While that surely skews the data, I don't think it skews it unfairly in the direction of one college vs. another. {For example, why exactly would UPhilippines grads be more likely to hide their status relative to Ateneo grads?) </p>
<p>Finally, to reinforce the point I made earlier, some Filipines had themselves attended US schools for undergrad. For example, looking at the MBA grads who are Filipino citizens, I see some who completed their undergrads at places like Harvard, Yale, Penn, Brown, etc.</p>
<p>sakky, would it be possible to list the data for the following schools? </p>
<p>Northwestern University
University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign
University of Wisconsin - Madison
Purdue University
University of Minnesota - Twin Cities
UC-Boulder</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>I am guessing he has access to that list specifically because he went to Harvard; not from any general research.</p>