Berkeley-HAAS vs Stanford vs Chicago vs MIT-Sloan vs Columbia

<p>I'm applying to these schools for 2008 entry. If I get accepted, where should I go. </p>

<p>Undergrad: BS Chemical Engineering (5-yr course)
GPA: 1.41 (magna cum laude)
GMAT: 740</p>

<p>would like to shift career to either investment banking or IT. </p>

<p>I'm not applying to Wharton and Dartmouth. Been to their campuses, talked with some people their and I didn't like the outcome. Unfortunately, my travel to US was cut short and it didn't give me enought time to search the campuses where I really like to go. My first choice is Berkeley-Haas.</p>

<p>Gpa 1.41????</p>

<p>it's an international system. 1 is the best possible.</p>

<p>I would recommend waiting until you get into the schools before deciding where to go.</p>

<p>Personally:</p>

<p>Columbia/Chicago>Stanford>MIT>Berkeley</p>

<p>But if Berkeley's your first choice, by all means, go ahead.</p>

<p>Chicago/Stanford>MIT/Berkeley>Columbia</p>

<p>Huh raven? Berk is most certainly not greater than Columbia. The fact is, one can hardly do better than Columbia if the goal is to work on Wall street. </p>

<p>Stanford>Columbia/Chicago>MIT>Berkeley</p>

<p>Agree with ABirch. Stanford is best among the group for Venture Capital or working in technology (or as an entrepreneur), Columbia is the best in this group when it comes to Wall Street, Retail and Media.</p>

<p>OP....why not try Wharton or Harvard? Wharton is a one-way ticket to Goldman Sachs.</p>

<p>I mean if you have the grades to try Stanford...there's practically no difference between HBS and Stanford.</p>

<p>I understand you don't like Wharton, so I won't mention it further. </p>

<p>Other schools that place well in investment banking:
-UVa Darden Graduate School of Business Admin
-Georgetown McDonough School of Business
-NYU Stern School of Business
-UMich Ross School of Business
-Yale School of Management
-Duke Fuqua School of Business
-etc etc etc</p>

<p>I already submitted my application to all the schools i've mentioned. </p>

<p>why Haas? frankly because of all the schools i have visited, it was HAAS that captivated me, not to metion it is very popular in destination of work -- Asia. but this is not to say that i'm all set to go there. it's just that, at the moment, it is my top choice followed by Columbia. Stanford does not appeal to me like what some people here are experiencing i know though that it's a good school. but between Hass and Stanford, i would choose Haas. I need to be convinced more why Stanford is better, if indeed it is.</p>

<p>From U.S. News's 2007 rankings:</p>

<ol>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>MIT (Sloan)</li>
<li>University of Chicago</li>
<li>Berkeley (Haas)</li>
<li>Columbia </li>
</ol>

<p>So as you can see, they are all top business schools and you can't go wrong with any of them. Haas does look captivating and is small and intimate, not to mention boasting a wealth of resources, and the Berkeley brand name is certainly huge in Asia. I can't say much for the other schools as I am not as familiar with them, but honestly any of these will give you a very reputable MBA.</p>

<p>They are all great programs. Essentially, Stanford would give a clear advantage if you were certain of working in tech, but otherwise it will come down to you as a person for how you succeed with an MBA from any of these schools. Perhaps get in touch with alumni for a sense of their Asia success stories...?</p>

<p>^ I already have. I've been in contact with some of the alumni of some of the top US and UK schools. Thank you guys for the response. Most of my officemates have MBA from top schools in the US and UK. Our president has undergrad in Industrial Engineering from the University of the Philippines and MBA from Northwestern. After him are guys who have MBA from Wharton, Berkeley, NYU, UCLA, Columbia, Stanford and Chicago. I also have officemates who have MBA from London Business School, Warwick, Manchester and City University of London. And surprisingly, we have people from INSEAD, IMD, AGSM, Asian Institute of Management, Universty of the Philippines and China-Europe (CIEBS). </p>

<p>vicissitudes,
you're darn right it is. Berkeley is probabaly the most well-known brand name here. I sure would not be wrong choosing it over some other top schools. But like I said, I could end up some where else depending on the result of my application. BTW, I did eventually apply to Harvard because my adviser is saying I have a chance in getting in there. Harvard is quite well-known here as well. Applying to Bschools is very expensive. I just realized that now. lol</p>

<p>I just turned 4 years and 6 month old with my company today.</p>

<p>
[quote]
you're darn right it is. Berkeley is probabaly the most well-known brand name here.

[/quote]
</p>

<p>I highly highly doubt that there are too many places in the world where Harvard isn't the best known brand-name. After all, whether we like it or not, Harvard is Harvard. If there is one school in the world that has proven itself time and time again to be a master at promoting its own brand name, it's Harvard.</p>

<p>
[quote]

<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=2898613#post2898613%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=2898613#post2898613&lt;/a>
My older brother is going to Haas. I asked him what his stats like and this is what he said:</p>

<p>Undergrad: Bachelor of Science in Business Administration & Accountancy (5-yr program)
School: University of the Philippines (Diliman)
GPA: 1.42 (magna cum laude in a scale of 1 highest and 3 pass)
Member: IASEC UP, UP Fencing Club
GMAT: 740
Work Experience: 4 years at Toyota</p>

<p>He got admitted at: Wharton, Stanford, Michigan, NYU, Columbia, Sloan, Dartmouth, INSEAD (France)
turned down: Harvard, London Business School, Oxford-Said

[/quote]
</p>

<p>Aspirant,</p>

<p>Is sansai your sister? LOL! You both are very much alike.</p>

<p>Hi Sam Lee. No, but she was my neighbor. I think the whole family has migrated to the US after the death of her grandparents. I'm not sure if it's US or Japan though. I'll try to look into that. I no longer see her nor her parents in the village these past few weeks. Do you know her?</p>

<p>sakky,</p>

<p>Getting meticulous about which is more popular between Harvard and UC Berkeley is foolish. I would say both are very popular but each individual has its own preferences. There are companies in the Philippines that prioritize Harvard grads and so are there companies which prefer Berkeley (Haas) grads over Harvard grads, or companies that prefer Northwestern (Kellogg) grads over Harvard grads. And several other scenario. I would understand if that's hard for you to fathom. After all, you are an American whose experience in the international arena is somewhat limited. If you've gone abroad, perhaps your idea about school popularity would change a bit. </p>

<p>Again, both UC Berkeley and Harvard are very popular in the Philippines but I know a lot HRDs who do give preferential to Berkeley grads, and that's probably how I measured popularity.</p>

<p>I don't know her personally (not that I want to anyway) and I haven't seen her since she got exposed for posting fictitious info by few other CC members (me included). Looks like her brother and you have very similar stats: almost identical GPA and exactly the same GMAT! All three of you love to tell others how Berkeley is great and popular and how you all love them and would turn down Harvard/Stanford for it. I wonder if it's genetic..you know..that "love Berkeley" gene among the people in your village.</p>

<p>By the way, in Hong Kong, people do view Harvard's MBA quite a bit higher than Berkeley's. Oh well, maybe it's because Hong Kong was a Brit colony and people there are very capitalistic and think very western. So their view isn't that different from the Americans. LOL!</p>

<p>
[quote]
And several other scenario. I would understand if that's hard for you to fathom. After all, you are an American whose experience in the international arena is somewhat limited. If you've gone abroad, perhaps your idea about school popularity would change a bit.

[/quote]
</p>

<p>Is that an ad-hominem attack? Trust me, I actually have EXTENSIVE international working experience. And I think I have a pretty darn good understanding of what is happening outside of the country.</p>

<p>From what I have seen - Harvard is Harvard. If anything, the Harvard brand name is even more powerful outside of the US than it is within the US. Heck, if there is one school that everybody has heard of throughout the world, it is Harvard. Like it or not, that's the reality. </p>

<p>But aspirant, the point is this. Be careful with ad-hominem attacks, as they are specifically barred by the terms of service here on CC. I don't comment on your background, so don't comment on mine. </p>

<p>
[quote]
There are companies in the Philippines that prioritize Harvard grads and so are there companies which prefer Berkeley (Haas) grads over Harvard grads, or companies that prefer Northwestern (Kellogg) grads over Harvard grads.

[/quote]
</p>

<p>This point I can agree with, but it has nothing to do with 'popularity'. I know many companies who refuse to recruit at Harvard or MIT or any of the other top schools. Heck, I know of one extremely famous company who used to have long-standing recruiting ties to MIT and who is now cutting those ties, preferring to instead recruit at local no-name schools. It has nothing to do with the fact that they think that MIT students are bad. In fact, the opposite is true - that they think the students are 'too good', meaning that the company doesn't think it can offer the types of salaries and opportunites that MIT graduates expect. </p>

<p>You have to keep in mind that companies are not really out to get the absolute best graduates. Not exactly. What they REALLY want are the best graduates who are also willing to work happily at the jobs that the company can provide. MIT engineers, for example, want high pay and exciting jobs with top prospects for advancement, and the truth is, a lot of companies just can't offer that, and the companies know it. It does no good for a company to hire a person only to have that person get bored with the job or become unhappy with the salary and then quit. The same thing is true of the Harvard grads. Harvard grads have a reputation for being difficult to recruit. The reason for that is simple - Harvard grads have a lot of good options, so they aren't going to want to settle for just a 'regular' job. </p>

<p>Now don't get me wrong. I am not taking a shot at the Philippines specifically. This is just a general truism of 'regular' companies in ALL countries. Most companies in the world are 'regular' companies. These companies simply can't offer the kinds of opportunities that a Harvard (or MIT) graduate expects to get, so these companies don't even try to recruit them. </p>

<p>In fact, I'll give you a story. My father's friend owns a small business. He once tried to hire a Harvard grad. He failed In fact, he said that he would never recruit another Harvard grad ever again. The problem? The guy was asking for about double the salary that he was willing to pay. He said that the guy was indeed very good, but he just couldn't pay what the guy wanted. So he said that in the future, he would just stick with recruiting people out of the local no-name schools. At least they wouldn't demand high salaries. </p>

<p>Through my circle of friends, I asked around about whater happened to that Harvard guy. I found out that the guy ended up taking a Wall Street bulge- bracket investment banking job. Hence, it's no wonder that he was asking for a high salary. It's because he knew he had a very high-paying and prestigious competing offer. </p>

<p>The point I'm making is that just because a company doesn't priotize the grads from a certain school doesn't necessarily mean that they don't 'like' the grads. It often times means that they know they can't really compete for those grads, do they don't try. Hence, I can definitely see a company preferring to hire Berkeley grads over Harvard grads, especially if they have reason to believe that the Harvard grads are going to ask for too much money or too much power. The same can be said for any 2 schools. But popularity of a school within a company has nothing to do with the brand name of that school.</p>

<p>hahaha i remember this person...</p>

<p>i guess the philipines is a small place where there's a bunch of people running around with 1.41's and applying to top US biz schools.</p>

<p>was i right or was i right??</p>