Berkeley (Industrial ) vs Northwestern (BS in applied mathematics)

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"“The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco,‘’ a saying that is almost a San Francisco cliche, turns out to be an invention of unknown origin, the coolest thing Mark Twain never said.”</p>

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<p>gd016: Hey, this was about very subjective things for the most part. And the beauty and the eye of the beholder thing is pertinent here, so there’s no way I could argue you out of what you said. I’ve seen a lot of cities in the world, though, and the ones widely acknowledged to be the most beautiful I’ve noticed tend to have the same things: sea, hills, amazing vistas. Think Hong Kong, Cape Town, Sydney, Rio de Janeiro, Istanbul for some, Vancouver, etc. – and yes, SF. </p>

<p>And then there are beautiful cities architecturally: Paris, Barcelona, and arguably Chicago. It’s a bit apples and oranges to compare these cities, IMO, because take Hong Kong for instance: put it in the midwest US on flats and it’s a friggin’ hell-hole it is so goddawfully ugly (maybe the skyscrapers themselves are exceptions to the complete ugliness). But HK is situated in one of the most amazing urban geologic basins in the world. It’s stunning, in spite of its architectural self.</p>

<p>Myself, I love Chicago. It’s definitely one of the best cities in the country. I just think the average rating of beautiful cities in the US through a poll wouldn’t normally put Chicago on top of SF.</p>

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<p>Yes, yes I agree, San Francisco and Chicago have a different kind of beauty. For one, the Midwest has no hills to my understanding. But right now, I’ve fallen for this city nonetheless. Like I said earlier though, they are both great places to spend four years of your life at, or at least the weekends of them, because at either school you’ll be too busy studying for an orgo or econ midterm during the weekdays. ;)</p>

<p>Oh and yep, I love how people not from the west coast have no distinction between Northern and Southern California.
I laugh a little when kids here at NU say, “The cold must be a first for you? You’re from California, right?”</p>

<p>Yeah, nope. I’ve been cold.</p>

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<p>what’s so bad about my hometown? watch it!!</p>

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<p>But I will add one more thing:</p>

<p>Chicago is beautiful, but it’s suburbs are not. They are old. and ugly (sorry). The Midwest lacks evergreen trees for the winter it has.</p>

<p>And O’hare is also a mess in comparison to SFO. I know, these are random things, but it’s true.</p>

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<p>i don’t think this is true</p>

<p>Evanston:
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<p>Wilmette:
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<p>Ravinia:
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<p>Lake Forest:
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<p>Hinsdale:
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<p>Arlington Heights:
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<p>Naperville:
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<p>I could easily say the same of NU supporters.</p>

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<p>Isn’t that exactly what you did in the USC/Berkeley thread?</p>

<p>And if you continue with this seriously discourteous attitude, you’ll be banned. It’s one thing to disagree; it’s another to deride.</p>

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<p>Where’d you get that? I tried to find that, and ended up attempting to count law school faculty – but a large portion are just visiting lecturers, members of other departments, etc.</p>

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<p>I agree, the suburbs are mediocre. After having lived in Chicago, though, it’s difficult for me to call the city “beautiful.” (Though it’s better than LA by far!) =p</p>

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<p>you mean where i pointed out that even USC has smarter students, greater selectivity, better financing, more diversity, and is an all-around better school than berkeley?</p>

<p>what are you hanging onto now? that san francisco is prettier than chicago and that’s why berkeley is better? haha</p>

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<p>i’m glad you’re a moderator. and oh no, i’ll be banned from an internet forum and then i’ll actually find some time to study, that prospect terrifies me!</p>

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<p>While SF is one of my favorite cities - however, due to its size, it is really unfair to compare it to Chicago.</p>

<p>SF is like Boston - after a while - you pretty much have seen everything and end up going back to the same places.</p>

<p>Otoh, there are many more places to go and see in Chicago (Chicago is like Manhattan - but on a somewhat more manageable scale (not to mention cleaner).</p>

<p>As I have always stated, if Chicago were on the East or West coast, it would probably be considered the best city in the US.</p>

<p>As for the whole “prestige thing” - it can be broken down btwn grad/undergrad and US/Int’l.</p>

<p>UCB has an edge in Int’l prestige due to its strength in grad programs (hence the higher Int’l regard and USNWR peer scores).</p>

<p>However, w/in the US - NU has an edge in undergrad “prestige”.</p>

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i don’t know where you went. here’s the list of faculty members:
[Faculty</a> Profiles](<a href=“http://www.law.berkeley.edu/faculty/profiles/facultyList.php]Faculty”>http://www.law.berkeley.edu/faculty/profiles/facultyList.php) </p>

<p>most, if not all, of them don’t teach undergrads. they are <em>not</em> members of othre departments. i think you are confusing specialties with departments. i don’t know why the number even surprises you. northwestern has a smaller law school and there are alreaday 93 faculty members there.</p>

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<p>Yup. That might be what’s called an “asinine claim.”</p>

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<p>I wasn’t getting into the whole SF vs. Chicago. Simply stating what I thought of Chicago’s beauty.</p>

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<p>That’s what I was talking about. There are visiting lecturers, visiting professors, visiting scholars, staff like directors, emeritus faculty, attorneys, etc. listed, none of whom are considered instructional faculty.</p>

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<p>asinine claim huh;</p>

<p>SAT:
USC: 1280-1460
Berkeley: 1200-1450</p>

<p>ethnic composition:
USC:
22% Asian/Pacific Islander
6% Black/Non-Hispanic
13% Hispanic
47% White/Non-Hispanic</p>

<p>53% In-State</p>

<p>Berkeley:
46% Asian/Pacific Islander
4% Black/Non-Hispanic
12% Hispanic
29% White/Non-Hispanic</p>

<p>93% in-state</p>

<p>endowment per student:
USC: $185,306
Berkeley: $149,050</p>

<p>time to accept facts and stop living in denial. this data is indisputable. don’t tell me now that san francisco is prettier than LA</p>

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<p>All that you said was refuted in the other thread.</p>

<p>SAT – superscoring difference, manipulation of SAT data (USC known for this)</p>

<p>Ethnicity – considering how diverse “Asian” means, many say that Berkeley is more diverse than USC.</p>

<p>[Asia</a> - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“Asia - Wikipedia”>Asia - Wikipedia)</p>

<p>I notice that you have problems with Berkeley’s 46% Asian (though actually, overall, it’s 40%), but you don’t remark on USC’s 47% white. That smacks of latent discrimination to me.</p>

<p>And which is more culturally diverse? Whites or Asians? Precisely.</p>

<p>Endowment – Berkeley has a larger endowment despite the fact that it doesn’t have a med school factored into its figure; USC does have a med school. If you were to add in the endowment of UCSF (effectively its med school), it’d be $4.5 billion.</p>

<p>But that’s not what’s important – what’s important is the fact that Berkeley gets some $400-500 million just in governmental support, and just for spending (which requires an $8-10 billion endowment to match). USC does not.</p>

<p>Here’s what I posted pages ago:</p>

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<p>Well, that’s not even a debate. San Fran is by far prettier than LA. ;)</p>

<p>I agree with you that USC has a nice balance among student ethnicities and geographically.
Regarding the SATs though, USC superscores while Berkeley doesn’t.</p>

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<p>the latter is more representative of the US population as a whole. Having a school that is almost 1/2 Asian is unbalanced, and is indicative of the fact that the majority of the qualified applications berkeley receives are from asian students, and they have no choice but to accept a grossly disproportionate amount of students of that ethnicity.</p>

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<p>So you want a student body representative of the US population? Then that means <5% Asian, 12+% black, 15% Hispanic, and about 75% white?</p>

<p>[United</a> States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“United States - Wikipedia”>United States - Wikipedia)</p>

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<p>And having 1/2 white is unbalanced; it’s far from being reflective of the US population. 47% white is about 30% away from the US population %; 40% Asian is about 35% away from the US population %. So really, any differences in diversity compared to the US population are negligible.</p>

<p>(I’ve heard this argument many times, and it still makes no sense.)</p>

<p>By the way, if Berkeley receives a majority of Asian applicants (which I doubt), then so would USC, considering it’s in 1) CA, and 2) middle of LA (10% Asian, far above the national average).</p>

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<p>Yes, it should be 70% white to be reflective of the US population as a whole. But, perhaps it should be reflective of Los Angeles…</p>

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<p>without you trying to drag me into an argument on racial semantics, the point is that USC is able to maintain the integrity of its freshman class without having to compromise ethnic balance and diversity on campus, while berkeley is not</p>

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<p>“Racial semantics”? You mean, what it means to be Asian (encompassing tons of cultures represented at Berkeley)?</p>

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<p>Integrity, eh? So you consider affirmative action and discrimination against qualified Asians to be indicative of its “integrity”? (As opposed to Berkeley, which does not discriminate based on race. And it still maintains an extremely diverse student body, culturally and ethnically.)</p>

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<p>USC, despite having a higher % of Jews in its student body than in the US pop. - a no. of years ago established a program specifically to increase the % of Jewish students in its student body.</p>

<p>Why would there be a need for that if Jews are just “white”?</p>