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<p>that's your definition, not berkeley and not even CDS. well, how about looking at just the numbers for their largest two colleges-- engineering and arts and sciences to make this much simpler: </p>
<p>Berkeley:
L&S + Chemistry: 863
Engineering + Chemical Engineering: 299</p>
<p>NU:
WCAS: 607
Engineering: 187</p>
<p>Already, you can see as far as #faculty goes, NU is not really that much smaller. I think it's pretty safe to say, even without looking at other colleges, that there's no way Berkeley would somehow have twice as many faculty that teach undergrads, like their figure in CDS suggests. The logical explanation for it is that they didn't exclude profs in gradaute/professional schools like NU did. It's pretty clear to me Berkeley "manipulates" their number also. </p>
<p>Regarding your issue with NU not counting graduate students, keep in mind slightly over half of them are in the med/law/business schools. So it's not nearly as outrageous as you may think for NU not to count them. </p>
<p>Like I said, they both manipulate data, just differently but even if they both strictly adhere the rules, I dbout the gap in student/faculty ratio would be much different from what's currently shown on US News.</p>
<p>elsijfdl, well Evanston and Wilmette are part of North Shore, and Naperville and Arlington Heights are also a few of the very nice neighborhoods outside of Chicago. But some of the closer burbs like Niles, Des Plaines, Mount Prospect, and Morton Grove, aren't very attractive overall. I feel like it's the lack of evergreen trees, the winters here feel so barren.
But I've definitely seen worse neighborhoods outside of other cities like Baltimore, Atlanta, definitely LA and Philly. For how great the actual city looks like, i found the suburbs of Chicago a bit disappointing is all. But Chicago's a city with age, so I guess it's to be expected. That's a matter of opinion, I guess.</p>
<p>And I agree with k&s, SF reminds me a lot of Boston. Very unique and beautiful in its own way, but not exactly in the same league to be compared with the likes of the Big Apple or Chicago.</p>
<p>I personally love Chicago. To me Chicago > San Francisco. However, that's not surprising since Chicago is my favorite city in North American (Montreal comes in at a very close second) and my second favorite city on Earth (nothing beats Paris of course). However, I would say that San Francisco > Boston. San Francisco is my second or third favorite US city.</p>
<p>i only went to paris when i was a kid but i couldn't see the appeal in it. i mean, i could see the appeal but so many people are OBSESSED with paris, which i couldn't really understand. i liked london better</p>
<p>Go again now if you can, I think you will understand the appeal! LOL! Seriously, it has incredible architecture, awesome museums, a history beyong compare, great little neighborhoods, the best restaurants (I'll recommend a few if spending $400/person on a meal isn't a problem for you) on Earth etc... Of course, speaking French helps. </p>
<p>Furthermore, I also love London. London is my second favorite European city and one of my 5 favorite cities on Earth.</p>
<p>the people on these forums who support berkeley pose some of the most asinine claims i've ever been witness to in my life. it's not just in this thread, it's all the time. there's no use arguing with them, they come out of the woodwork of northern california and live in a world of self-denial. let them have it.
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<p>Yeah right. LOL... This coming from the guy who claimed USC is better than UC Berkeley... </p>
the latter is more representative of the US population as a whole. Having a school that is almost 1/2 Asian is unbalanced, and is indicative of the fact that the majority of the qualified applications berkeley receives are from asian students, and they have no choice but to accept a grossly disproportionate amount of students of that ethnicity.
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<p>Isn't that almost 3/4 of the population of the world is Asian? </p>
<p>And hey, have you started asking high school counselors which is harder to get into between NU and Cal? </p>
<p>You're trying to avoid this. Not a good tactic though.</p>
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Endowment -- Berkeley has a larger endowment despite the fact that it doesn't have a med school factored into its figure; USC does have a med school. If you were to add in the endowment of UCSF (effectively its med school), it'd be $4.5 billion.</p>
<p>But that's not what's important -- what's important is the fact that Berkeley gets some $400-500 million just in governmental support, and just for spending (which requires an $8-10 billion endowment to match). USC does not.**
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<p>I really wonder why such an alledged NU educated guy cannot understand a simple information like that.</p>
i only went to paris when i was a kid but i couldn't see the appeal in it. i mean, i could see the appeal but so many people are OBSESSED with paris, which i couldn't really understand. i liked london better
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<p>Did you know that in London, UC Berkeley is generally seen more prestigious than NU is? :)</p>
<p>I'll tackle your assertion on an epistemic level. Under the traditional analysis of knowledge (in the standard view), it is suggested that knowledge consists of three parts: </p>
<p>1) A true proposition
-For this exercise we will assume it is in fact true, though bear with me here.</p>
<p>2) Believing that proposition
-You most assuredly do</p>
<p>3) Justification for that belief
-Here, I think, you fall short. Have you polled a statistically significant portion of the London Population? Has someone else, and the results broadcast? No- much more likely, you, your friends, and your family think that way. That is not sufficient justification to believe your assertion that UC Berkeley seen is more prestigious than NU in London.</p>
<p>The ranking also puts UCSF > Cornell by a couple spots, (Cornell is JUST above UCSD, in turn above Hopkins, in turn above UCLA). If that weren't incongruous enough, Michigan University [sic], Illinois University [sic] and Massachusetts University [sic] all come in the top 50! I've never heard of these places, but they must be good ;)</p>
-Here, I think, you fall short. Have you polled a statistically significant portion of the London Population? Has someone else, and the results broadcast? No- much more likely, you, your friends, and your family think that way. That is not sufficient justification to believe your assertion that UC Berkeley seen is more prestigious than NU in London.
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<p>When someone says that Stanford is more prestigious than Rice in London, do I need to make an empirical study for me to be able to say that? </p>
<p>I'm not saying the Londoners believe that NU's education is inferior to Berkeley. All I was trying to say is that many Londoners have heard of Berkeley more than they have of NU and that they trust Berkeley education more than they would for NU because they have heard of the Berkeley. The name UC Berkeley outside of the USA is such a very powerful brand name. I cannot fathom why you have a hard time understanding this. </p>
<p>Why do I think Berkeley is more regarded in the UK than NU? Here are some obvious reasons why:</p>
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<li><p>All ranking league tables that have a global scope ranked Berkeley higher than NU. In fact, they all often rank Berkeley on the very top of the league tables. </p></li>
<li><p>Berkeley is harder to get into than NU for international students. This is a no-brainer. NU craves to absorb more international students because it is not that popular abroad, RELATIVE to UC Berkeley. For example, if you go to Africa, you’d more likely to meet someone who has heard of UC Berkeley than someone who has heard of NU. In some parts of Asia, Kellogg, NU’s business school, is more known than is NU, the mother school. </p></li>
<li><p>Berkeley's programs are some of the top programs in the world and there are far more British who study abroad for grad school than for undergrad school. </p></li>
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<p>Please don't push NU too much. I know you love your school thus you’re biased for NU. And to be honest with you, this thread has made me aware how good NU's undergrad program is, as well as its MBA program than from the outside world. But to say NU is more prestigious than UC Berkeley -- a school regarded as one of the best in the world -- in the UK is just a stretch. And it's ridiculous that you would require me to do some survey on it because that is already such an obvious phenomenon.</p>
<p>I didn't say you couldn't state your belief. I said in order for you to know that, you'd have to meet those criteria. Epistemology is whacky.</p>
<p>And if you look over my posts in this thread, I think you'll find I've only been refuting stupidly outlandish or extreme claims, not really pushing NU at all. I'm completely willing to believe Berkeley is substantially more well known abroad than NU is- the same is true domestically. Berkeley has played a major role on the national stage of politics for decades. There have been some pretty ridiculous claims from the pro-Cal crowd in this thread, and some (slightly less, but still badly) ridiculous claims from the pro-NU side.</p>
<p>no one in my family speaks french and it did make the trip a little more difficult. the things i liked about paris were the back roads, the patio restaurants, and the CATACOMBS</p>
<p>EDIT: oh and powergrid... graduate high school</p>
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<p>Until about a decade ago London was a dump compared to Paris (architecturally, beauty of the parks, etc.). While not quite having the charm of Paris architecture, London has improved dramatically in this regard w/ a no. of new avant garde/modern buildings.</p>
<p>On a smaller scale cities like Prague and Budapest are great, too.</p>
<p>You dont have to spend nearly that much for a great meal (well, before the dollar collapsed). Even now you can get a great meal for $40-50 at restaurants in Paris - you just have to know where to go (hint if you hear English being spoken, you are in the wrong place).</p>
<p>Finding a good meal in London for that price, otoh </p>
<p>And once again intl prestige (which is heavily predicated on graduate research) and US prestige are often very different.</p>
<p>In those intl rankings research heavy schools like UCSD, UDub, Wisc., UT, etc. are ranked significantly higher than schools like Brown and Dartmouth.</p>
