<p>Merced is the newer University of Merced in Merced...</p>
<p>Berkeley's campus has history and culture to it, unlike a university that was built only a few years ago. Plus I dont neccesarliy believe that the smaller the class size is, the better education you get.</p>
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Who is CF? And what is "Merced"?
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<p>CF refers to the poster CardinalFocused. Merced refers to UC Merced, the newest UC campus.</p>
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Plus I dont neccesarliy believe that the smaller the class size is, the better education you get.
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<p>So you think large class sizes provide a better education? Care to explain?</p>
<p>I was actually being sarcastic....but cheers for the explanation.</p>
<p>I thought you might have been sarcastic. My new pastime on CC is to give serious responses to sarcastic posts/trolling.</p>
<p>I never said larger class sizes = better education. I said I dont think a small class has that many advantages over a large class. I think it depends more on the person. I think I get an equally good education whether its small classes or big. But you cant make the assumption that just because a class is smaller means its going to be all that much better than a larger one.</p>
<p>You said "I don't necessarily believe that the smaller the class size is, the better education you get" meaning either you believe that sometimes the smaller the class size is, the worse education you get, or you believe that sometimes the smaller the class size is, the education you get is the same.</p>
<p>I asked for an explanation of the former. If you believe in the latter, which is that smaller classes are sometimes better than large classes, and sometimes they are the same, then smaller classes are still better than large classes in that there is no time when large classes are better than smaller classes. I am not concerned with how much better; I'm just saying smaller classes are better than large classes. Therefore, Merced > Berkeley.</p>
<p>This has got to be a joke, how could you believe that a university with no track record, is better than Berkeley, the best public school in the nation. Plus your over analyzing everything I see. All I'm saying is that you cant assume that the size of the class = how much you learn. There are going to be good large classes and bad small classes, or good small classes and bad large classes. People automatically assume that just because your in a class with 250 people, your not going to learn as much, as if that same class with the same professor at the same university had 50 people in it.</p>
<p>"I'm just saying smaller classes are better than large classes"</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Because larger classes are not better than smaller classes. Explain how larger classes are better than smaller classes.</p>
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<p>Who decided that Berkeley is the best public school in the nation? It's only RANKED as the best university in the nation, because Berkeley is better at some things which also are reflected on the rankings. But Merced beats Berkeley hand-down in so many factors that cannot be put into rankings, such as what I mentioned in my first post.</p>
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All I'm saying is that you cant assume that the size of the class = how much you learn.
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<p>Well, of course not. It largely depends on the individual. Even if the class is 10 people you could simply not show up and not learn anything. You wouldn't learn anything at all. A person could take the initiative and go early and grab a front seat in a 300 people classroom, while another could sit in the back of a 50 people class and snooze off. But that's not what we are debating. We are debating Merced vs. Berkeley. So, given that the student factor is held constant, smaller classes are better than larger classes, ceteris paribus.</p>
<p>Im not saying one class size is better than the other. So stop saying that. I never said that all large classes are better than small ones, or all small ones are better than large ones. UC berkeley has been called the best public school by virtually every sort of ranking system made. Number 2 in the world by one. If after 50 years, UC Merced has a good reputation for top notch faculty and respected graduates, then you can say start to argue that class sizes and stuff make UC Merced better.</p>
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Im not saying one class size is better than the other. So stop saying that. I never said that all large classes are better than small ones, or all small ones are better than large ones.
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<p>I know you didn't. I did.</p>
<p>I think you are referring to the THES, which is heavily based on graduate schools. I'll admit that Berkeley's graduate school is probably a little better, but that's because Merced really haven't had the time to establish itself as a research powerhouse. However, I was talking about undergrad education / life as an undergrad, and Merced just excels in so many areas. I like how you only refer to rankings (which doesn't show the whole picture) instead of actually refuting some of the points I made on why Merced is better.</p>
<p>I have refuted your points, you just dont want to listen. I think your joking and your just trying to get me worked up. Especially after you said Berkeley's graduate school is only a little better than Merced because it hasnt had time to become a research powerhouse.</p>
<p>Basically the only reason you say Merced is better than Berkeley is because it has lower student poplulation. Thats the same as equating all the CSU's as better than berkeley because you have smaller class sizes.</p>
<p>"Because larger classes are not better than smaller classes. Explain how larger classes are better than smaller classes"</p>
<p>First, lame answer. I don't have to explain anything because I didn't make any claim. You have. Please explain why, in a lecture, having 20 people is inherently better than having 70 people. Just a question, since you seem to have this as a pet cause.</p>
<p>Okay fine. If you are in a 300 people class you often have to sit in the back, and you can't hear the professor as well. I could list many more reasons but until you can actually list a reason why larger classes are better than smaller classes, this alone shows that smaller classes are better.</p>
<p>And tivesrx: Okay Berkeley's graduate schools are a lot better. But that's a moot point. I'm talking about undergrad. And did you read post #2? Merced is in a better location, it has a better campus, more potential for students to contribute instead of being stuck in a dead-end beaucracy, and the resources aren't concentrated in only a few places i.e. Haas or the grad school. Less cut-throat environment. So many reasons besides smaller classes and more attention.</p>
<p>Vicissitudes, considering Merced is so much better, you should transfer rather than continue in Cal's lesser environment and being stuck in this dead end beaucracy. You will feel better when you stop bashing Cal. You are sounding like a hater on every thread.</p>
<p>GOOD GOD!</p>
<p>Could the SARCASM of the first posts given away the jest of this thread ANY MORE OBVIOUSLY?! :eek:</p>
<p>Apparently not. :p</p>
<p>The Berkeley bureacracy only harms you if you don't follow basic directions. Long live the Berkeley bureacracy!</p>