<p>I just found a class with 13 people enrolled out of 100.
it's H7B, so you will get the professor's attention even if you do not want to.</p>
<p>Yay greatestyen is back.</p>
<p>You didn't respond to my PM. :(</p>
<p>I hate logging on to CC anymore because of members like you. Tonight I did because I got a call from a senior at my school and this thread. I had to read it for myself.
In my opinion certain members make the CAL threads appear like a high school blog. Wonder why people don't post much anymore?
It is sad you both get thrills hating on CAL. I think you're both pathetic.</p>
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<li><p>Like Strykur said, I don't know how you and tiversx haven't noticed the sarcasm in my first post and how this thread is pretty much a joke.</p></li>
<li><p>I don't hate Berkeley for fun. That's pointless. What I did think was fun was trying to create some good arguments for how attending a new and rather poor UC can be advantageous to attending the best UC. I was hoping for some good counterarguments (how about the fact that Berkeley has much better professors/staff, much more resources, research opportunities, stronger student body, better TAs, more major options, better job prospects, etc.), but unfortunately, no one bothered to mention these and instead harped on a silly thing like "smaller classes aren't necessarily good."</p></li>
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The Berkeley bureacracy only harms you if you don't follow basic directions. Long live the Berkeley bureacracy!
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<p>But the thing is that sometimes the students don't know what the rules are because the rules aren't made explicit. Berkeley should be more explicit so not as many kids get in problems.</p>
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I hate logging on to CC anymore because of members like you. Tonight I did because I got a call from a senior at my school and this thread. I had to read it for myself.
In my opinion certain members make the CAL threads appear like a high school blog. Wonder why people don't post much anymore?
It is sad you both get thrills hating on CAL. I think you're both pathetic.
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<p>This response alone prompted me to make this brief return from self-imposed exile. </p>
<p>Just wow. :rolleyes: </p>
<p>I'm with strykur on this one.</p>
<p>"Okay fine. If you are in a 300 people class you often have to sit in the back, and you can't hear the professor as well."</p>
<p>Get to class earlier if you want to sit in front. And any class big enough where you'd be in danger of not hearing your professor will use a microphone (with speakers in the back).</p>
<p>"I could list many more reasons but until you can actually list a reason why larger classes are better than smaller classes, this alone shows that smaller classes are better."</p>
<p>I'm not saying larger classes are better. I don't have strong feelings about class size either way. You, however, are basing your argument on class size, so I thought you'd like to explain why large classes are so inherenty evil. You say you want to spark discussion, yet you won't even defend your own claims. Boring.</p>
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Get to class earlier if you want to sit in front. And any class big enough where you'd be in danger of not hearing your professor will use a microphone (with speakers in the back).
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<p>Yes but with smaller classes, you don't have to make the effort to get to class earlier. So even though that difference may be minute, it still makes smaller classes better, unless you have another objection.</p>
<p>Also, if you sit in the back, it's easy to fall asleep or miss out on class discussions (such as if professor quizzes the class). That won't happen in a small class. You're forced to be attentive.</p>
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I'm not saying larger classes are better. I don't have strong feelings about class size either way. You, however, are basing your argument on class size, so I thought you'd like to explain why large classes are so inherenty evil. You say you want to spark discussion, yet you won't even defend your own claims. Boring.
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<p>I'm not defending my own claims because they are not my claims. Good straw man you built there. When did I say large classes are so inherently evil? I never said that. I only said that smaller classes are better than large classes. Maybe only by a little. Maybe by a lot. I don't know why you keep arguing about the magnitude when I already said I'm not concerned with it. All I am saying is smaller classes are better than large classes, even if only slightly.</p>
<p>"Yes but with smaller classes, you don't have to make the effort to get to class earlier."</p>
<p>Yeah, huge effort. Definitely a deal breaker when in comes to judging schools.</p>
<p>"Also, if you sit in the back, it's easy to fall asleep"</p>
<p>What are you, a narcoleptic? Most of us can manage the huge task of staying awake.</p>
<p>"I only said that smaller classes are better than large classes. Maybe only by a little."</p>
<p>So then if class size isn't REALLY that important, then tell us why again that Merced is better than Berkeley?</p>
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"Also, if you sit in the back, it's easy to fall asleep"</p>
<p>What are you, a narcoleptic? Most of us can manage the huge task of staying awake.
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<p>What's with the needless ad hominem? I guess your CC username is correct; you really are a monster. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Also, I have trouble staying awake in class as I'm a bit of an insomniac. Are you implying that students should choose their university based on their sleeping patterns? :rolleyes: </p>
<p>Don't worry I got your back visscitudes. We're on the same team remember :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Ad hominem is the most over used saying on these boards. How is asking someone who says he can't stay awake for an hour if he's a nacoleotic an attack? And calling me a monster is what, a solid foundation for your argument? Please, if you're just dying to post something, wait until you have something less mind numbing to say.</p>
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"Yes but with smaller classes, you don't have to make the effort to get to class earlier."</p>
<p>Yeah, huge effort. Definitely a deal breaker when in comes to judging schools.
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<p>Did I say it was a deal breaker? No. I just said it's better. Probably not going to make a huge difference, but it's still better. Hey, why do you think students here are so worried about a few points on the SATs? Because when we are talking about a huge investment like college, every little advantage counts. Just because smaller classes might not be a lot better doesn't make the statement "smaller classes are better" any less valid.</p>
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<p>What are you, a narcoleptic? Most of us can manage the huge task of staying awake.
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<p>Most people can, but a small portion can't. So again, smaller classes are better, even if they help some people more than others.</p>
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"I only said that smaller classes are better than large classes. Maybe only by a little."</p>
<p>So then if class size isn't REALLY that important, then tell us why again that Merced is better than Berkeley?
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<p>Because smaller classes are still better. Even if they aren't REALLY important, they are still better. Thus, it's something to Merced's favor. Maybe it only makes Merced a little better. I never claimed Merced is a LOT better than Berkeley.</p>
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Ad hominem is the most over used saying on these boards. How is asking someone who says he can't stay awake for an hour if he's a nacoleotic an attack?
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<p>Because you were obviously being snarky.</p>
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<p>Unlike your argument, my argument is based on fact; as according to your username, you are a monster and a snugglemonster at that. :rolleyes:</p>
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Please, if you're just dying to post something, wait until you have something less mind numbing to say.
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<p>Some more ad hominem; you should be on MTVs Yo Momma. Wilmer Valderrama would love you. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Geez, you're so witty. Maybe you should write for the Believer. They love emoticons:)</p>
<p>"Because smaller classes are still better. Even if they aren't REALLY important, they are still better. Thus, it's something to Merced's favor. Maybe it only makes Merced a little better. I never claimed Merced is a LOT better than Berkeley."</p>
<p>So how much better is Evergreen State than Stanford? Class sizes are smaller. How much better is Bennington than Harvard? A little? A lot? Your reasoning is just super!</p>
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Geez, you're so witty. Maybe you should write for the Believer. They love emoticons
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<p>We should just drop the CC beef snugglemoster; I'm going vegitarian.</p>
<p>You want to drop the beef? Then don't respond to my comments with lame insults;) :) :(</p>
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So how much better is Evergreen State than Stanford? Class sizes are smaller. How much better is Bennington than Harvard? A little? A lot? Your reasoning is just super!
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<p>Where does it say that Evergreen State has smaller class sizes than Stanford? Or Bennington smaller class sizes than Harvard? I'd like to something to back this up.</p>
<p>And did I say college quality is determined by only class sizes? Once again you attack a claim that I did not make. But if Evergreen State does have smaller class sizes than Stanford, then yes it is better than Stanford IN THAT REGARD. I'm sure Stanford does many other things better than Evergreen State.</p>
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You want to drop the beef? Then don't respond to my comments with lame insults
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<p>Stop derailing the purpose of this thread; let's get back onto topic: Berkeley versus Merced. </p>
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Where does it say that Evergreen State has smaller class sizes than Stanford? Or Bennington smaller class sizes than Harvard? I'd like to something to back this up.</p>
<p>And did I say college quality is determined by only class sizes? Once again you attack a claim that I did not make. But if Evergreen State does have smaller class sizes than Stanford, then yes it is better than Stanford IN THAT REGARD. I'm sure Stanford does many other things better than Evergreen State.
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<p>Are you going to transfer to Merced visccitudes? Since you love it so much and all :rolleyes:</p>
<p>"And did I say college quality is determined by only class sizes"</p>
<p>Well, you did say that what made Merced a LITTLE BETTER than Cal was the smaller class sizes, correct? So if we were to follow your logic here, we would conclude that yes, having smaller classes does make one school a little better than another with slightly larger classes.</p>