<p>Yeah I also heard that about Vancouver.</p>
<p>So, speaking of the political tendencies, how would you rank Queen's, McGill, UofT, and UBC from most liberal to most conservative? Also, I'm not sure whether you'd know, since this board pertains to Canada, but where would you place NYU? Thanks!</p>
<p>I can't rank on a spectrum from liberal to conservative, but I think I've definitely lost a lot of respect for Queen's after the homecoming riots.</p>
<p>You can read up on the 2005 events on wikipedia: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen's_University_street_parties">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen's_University_street_parties</a></p>
<p>Thanks. That's interesting to read. I wouldn't have thought Queen's students to be like that. But still, that doesn't reflect on their political tendencies.</p>
<p>it's definitely worth pointing out that of the 22 people arrested at homecoming, not a single one was a Queen's student.</p>
<p>Queen's has always had a lot of spirit and as such, their homecoming parties, which were always virtually harmless in the past, had gained a reputation as being a lot of fun. this past year, a lot of people had heard about that and so hundreds of high school and other university students went and were unable to balance fun and drinking with respect for the police and neighbours, as Queen's students had always done in the past, and the party got out of control. Again, none of the truly "riotous" people arrested were students at Queen's. I understand if the incident kind of turns you off of Queen's, but it's really not at all representative of the school.</p>
<p>RE: political tendencies, i don't think that the universities in Canada have the same type of universally-recognized political tendency, like how schools like UC Berkeley and Columbia, etc., are well-known for theirs. Are you asking this as a liberal or a conservative? although Canada as a whole does lean to the left, especially when compared with the US, i'm sure that you'll find your niche regardless of where you go to school, and so it really shouldn't be that much of a concern. as a general rule, young people are fairly liberal as well so factor that in-all schools will have both liberals and conservatives, but more likely liberals. i am definitely not qualified to comment on NYU's political tendencies either lol.</p>
<p>queens is the worst school....im sorry but this article just ****ed me off...i got the feeling queens is trying to be a white heaven to attract those type of students </p>
<p>check this out</p>
<p>i was admitted into queens commerce but everyone i asked told me not to go because it is not the smartest but infact the richest white kids....my best frnd who lives in napanee (close to knigston) told me its full of ignorant people and not to go</p>
<p>queens do something or u are goin to constantly lose the best students</p>
<p>regarding that article, i feel that what it's actually saying is that over the years, Queen's has not consciously tried to improve diversity...rather they have just allowed it to happen naturally. and since it hasn't happened to the same degree that people may have wanted it to, they are now saying that something will be consciously done to improve this. the article discusses not racism, but rather a lack of diversity...many people credit this to the fact that Queen's is seen as more of a traditional, historic school rather than a more progressive one-each of these types of schools attract different people, and unfortunately it seems that Queen's just hasn't attracted a very diverse student body-yet. many people who go there say that each year is more and more diverse,and that while the problem is starting to somewhat correct itself, the administration needs to do more-which they are now pledging to do. also, any racism that was addressed in the article is SYSTEMIC racism, rather than intentional, admin-sponsored racism...which is still wrong, but it is not what people originally think of when they hear "racism at Queen's!". lastly, while Queen's is notably less diverse than urban centres like Toronto, Montreal, etc., it is still markedly more diverse than most of Canada, and of the United States.</p>
<p>although i've been defending Queen's this whole post, i just want to add that i obviously think that this lack of diversity is very distressing...but it is definitely not as bad as it is made out to be. i really think that the good parts about Queen's far outweigh the bad ones.</p>
<p>queens is ****...i know people who go thr just so they can get be with more white people...in fact i kno this guy who actually told me he choose queens to get away from the minorities of toronto.....</p>
<p>they can stick their white uni up their ass</p>
<p>I think that while the riots may not be representative of the entire student body, that events that're even remotely associated with the school will cause the image of the entire student body to go down. The past semester I worked with alumni/parents relations at McGill and so many people were so antagonistic towards the school over things such as the Dr. Broom thing with the football players (which - in all reality - how many of us McGillers even go to those damned football games anyway?).</p>
<p>And I agree that it's harder to peg universities in Canada from conservative to liberal b/c it's not as clear cut as it is in the states. i.e. U of Chicago (pragmatic conservatism) & Brigham Young (CONSERVATIVE)</p>
<p>yeah it seems to happen to so many schools-one isolated incident often damages the reputation of the entire school-the dr. broom and Playboy issue at McGill, the saugeen stripper at Western, the homecoming "riot" at Queen's...and then similar things happen in the states, with the Duke lacrosse rape etc. hopefully people know well enough to look past on incident and not see it as reflective of the school as a whole.</p>
<p>True, although the incidents at McGill and Duke seem worse than at Queen's. Also, even though I agree that these incidents do not represent the student body, I must admit that knowing that such students, like the lacrosse player or the Dr. Broom football players, are walking around on campus together with me is somewhat of a turn-off for the university.</p>
<p>as for "the dr. broom football players", it's just that they got busted, hazing is all over. it's hypocrite to behave as if no one knew about hazing until it got out and "tainted" McGill's image.
if they had been able to keep it hush-hush, you wouldn't mind having to share a campus with them?</p>
<p>If it were kept hush-hush and I knew about it, I'd still mind. Obviously, if I wouldn't know, I wouldn't care...but that's with everything in life.</p>
<p>Queens is Canada's most traditional, elite university. You get a lot of private school types there--I know because I am a private school type and I'm probably going there (along with a great number of people I know). I'm also thinking of accepting McGill, and am aware of the difference in diversity you'll find there compared to Queens.</p>
<p>But really guys (and especially you jamonanderson), can Princeton, for example, be that different? In fact, I would bet money Princeton is much more white and preppy than Queens. I know a few people there who would back that claim. Yet Princeton isn't "trying to be a white heaven to attract those type of students." That's just ludicrous. In Canada, "diversity" has an entirely different meaning than in the States. We, and our press (particularly the liberal Toronto Star), are very sensitive to any public institution that is even remotely elitist and non-"diverse".</p>
<p>About the comment "...not the smartest but infact the richest white kids"... I don't see how that holds much ground when the average entering grades of Queens students in the highest in the country along with McGill.</p>
<p>Anyways, I would be careful of dismissing universities because of isolated, unfortunate incidents that take place there. Elitester (irony?) says ---"Also, even though I agree that these incidents do not represent the student body, I must admit that knowing that such students, like the lacrosse player or the Dr. Broom football players, are walking around on campus together with me is somewhat of a turn-off for the university."--- I say: "Get used to it." WHATEVER university you go to, you'll find at least a few distasteful people. Oh wait... you will in LIFE too.</p>
<p>As for political tendencies of universities, in Canada you really don't get that large and pronounced a spectrum as you do in the States. But, that said, I'm sure you would find some differences (just none big enough to really factor in a decision). For example, people in BC and the East Coast are more laid back and left-wing. (And yes I'm using broad generalizations but they hold true; I'll accept any challenges). In Alberta they're more conservative (and if you go to a school in Alberta the professors I'm sure would be more right wing... like in the political science and econ faculties). If you're an American, you'll find that probably almost all universities are "liberal" in the sense that the majority of students and faculty aren't evangelicals etc, (but you'll find this is even more so in large cities where it is more liberal).</p>
<p>But in sum, the differences in ideologies between faculties would be FAR greater than the differences between schools. You'll find free market loving profs in your econ classes probably, and more left-wing people in, say English.</p>
<p>ALSO, to jamonanderson, who was admitted to Queens Commerce: if you were pragmatic, you'd see making friends with people with influence as an ADVANTAGE, especially in something like a Commerce program. Make those connections. I know many of those guys going into Commerce. They don't bite. Really.</p>
<p>I'm at UBC and I'll say with confidence that it's probably about as politically liberal as it can get. That goes for the students, profs, and the city in general. It's good.</p>