Best finance school out of these?

College Majors Business Major
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BTW in 2006 a quarter of bear stearns analyst class was from IU, and IU placed the most kids into jpm ibanking tied with MIT

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<p>Please don't tell me that in 4 year, Bear sterns analyst class has not grown. A quarter? Please, they have been expanding and i wouldn't be surprised if the entering class was around 60. And lets not be concerned with the fact that on average Bear Stern places around 15 on the highest ranked divisions, not exactly what you would call desirable when students are considering ib from BETTER schools. </p>

<p>And counting the number of students selected for ib jobs in the link given, the total comes to 59, which includes independent, seminar and workshop. I would assume their aren't very many outside of these that landed ib jobs.</p>

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<p>How bought we just throw out the term ibanking all together, just as you want, because every company previously listed has multiple financial service divisions. </p>

<p>Please explain then why you would consider any of the bulge brackets an investment bank while you would exclude Baird</p>

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<p>okay, 59 is greater than 20 at villanova, can you count? Who do you think you are talking down on Bear Stearns, I'm sure you would die to work there and will be begging to. Trust me I have the best source possible for the bear stearns and jpm placement information. You still have no solid proof on your comments, talking is not going to prove your point, facts will. Hey congrats MK, did you look up other words in my comment too to try and find a spelling error, you must feel really good about yourself hahhaha.</p>

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<p>No I didn't I just know how to spell. Anyways uhyea, if you look at the Villanova placement link, you can see what southpasadena is talking about. He provided a link with the info, so I don't see how you say he has no proof.</p>

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<p>Yea he proved they place some kids around 20-30 into IBANKING CORPORATE FINANCE positions. They had several people doing other back office type of things at ibanks but not actual investment banking. BTW i provided the link and proved my point that Villanova's 20-30 (30 being a stretch) is not greater than IU's number in actual investment banking analyst placements.</p>

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<p>read, those numbers were for WISCONSIN, and was not related at all to the career office, it was all independent.</p>

<p>Quickly looking over Nova's database showed at least 85 in investment banking, not at all including the high numbers in consulting, asset management, and the few that went into private equity.</p>

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<p>what are you talking about, where is 85 placements in ibanking? There may be that many working at ibanks, but there is a difference between doing ibanking and working at an ibank. There are several people in operations and so forth but in actual investment banking analyst positions there is more like 20-30 (30 a stretch) from Villanova</p>

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<p>evidence? The 13 accepted to GS were front office, this coming from a student that got an internship that same year. Where is your evidence proving the 15 or so from jpmorgan, ml and morgan are back office or operations analyst? I highly doubt they are. </p>

<p>Same with wachovia, banc of america, ubs, credit, deustche, etc all the way down to the regional banks</p>

<p>and lets reduce IU's numbers down to 56 since two hires are in asset management and one in compliance</p>

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<p>u want evidence...this is from the villanova career center website that i had sent you but you obviously did not look</p>

<p>Finance majors
**Bank of America Internal Wholesaler 1
Bank of America Investment Banking Analyst 1
Barclays Capital Finance Analyst 1
Barclays Capital Operations Analyst 2
Barclays Capital Purchase & Sales Agent 1</p>

<p>hm two possible ib analysts so far
Bear Stearns Hedge Fund Relationship Manager 1
Bear Stearns Institutional Equity Analyst 1
Bear Stearns Prime Brokerage Analyst 2
Bear Stearns Prime Brokerage Relationship Manager 1</p>

<p>bunch of investment management positions, no IB</p>

<p>Citigroup Financial Analyst 1
Citigroup NA 1</p>

<p>2 possible ib analysts</p>

<p>Credit Suisse First Boston Equity Sales and Trading Analyst 1</p>

<p>investment management</p>

<p>Deutsche Bank Operations Administrator 1</p>

<p>operations</p>

<p>Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein Investment Banking Analyst 1</p>

<p>IB from your beloved regionals</p>

<p>Goldman Sachs Analyst 3
Goldman Sachs Finance Analyst 2
Goldman Sachs Financial Analyst 1
Goldman Sachs Fixed Income Operations Analyst 1
Goldman Sachs Operations Anayst 1</p>

<p>operations, some possible IB guys or possible research guys</p>

<p>JPMorgan Chase Cash Management Specialist 2
JPMorgan Chase IB Operations 1
JPMorgan Chase Internal Consulting Analyst 1
JPMorgan Chase Investment Management Operations 1
JPMorgan Chase NA 2
JPMorgan Chase Senior Operations Associate 1</p>

<p>no bankers there</p>

<p>Lehman Brothers CMBS Analyst 1
Lehman Brothers Operations Analyst 2
Lehman Brothers Sales, Trading & Research Analyst, Capital Markets 1</p>

<p>no bankers there</p>

<p>Merrill Lynch Analyst 7
Merrill Lynch Finance 1
Merrill Lynch Financial Analyst 1
Merrill Lynch NA 1
Merrill Lynch Transaction & Custody Analyst 1
Morgan Stanley Analyst Equity Swaps 1
Morgan Stanley Bondline Sales Analyst 1
Morgan Stanley Financial Risk Control Analyst 1
Morgan Stanley Fixed Income Sales & Trading Analyst 1
Morgan Stanley Infrastructure Analyst 2
Morgan Stanley Sales Associate 1</p>

<p>few possible bankers or research analysts, a bunch of non ibanking corp fin positions </p>

<p>Accounting majors</p>

<p>Banc of America Investment Banking Analyst 1
Goldman Sachs Financial Analyst 1
JPMorgan Chase Internal Consulting Services Analyst 1
JPMorgan Chase Investment Banking Analyst 1
JPMorgan Chase Investment Banking Operation Analyst 1
Merrill Lynch CFO Accounting and Finance Program 1
Merrill Lynch NA 1</p>

<p>few bankers, bunch of non bankers</p>

<p>Econ majors</p>

<p>Citigroup Analyst 1
Goldman Sachs Analyst 1
Merrill Lynch Transaction & Custody Services Analyst 1
Morgan Stanley Infrastructure Analyst 1</p>

<p>There you go theres proof
25 at most actual ibanking analysts</p>

<p>if you would like to check it again the website is</p>

<p><a href="http://www.villanova.edu/studentlife/careers/placement/2005/datasearch.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.villanova.edu/studentlife/careers/placement/2005/datasearch.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>there you go buddy</p>

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<p>Qwertip, what is your relationship with Kelley? Did you graduate from Kelley?</p>

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<p>uhyea, you arent able to differentiate ib jobs from non ib jobs, or the fact that jobs within the capital market segment run as one unit</p>

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uhyea, you arent able to differentiate ib jobs from non ib jobs, or the fact that jobs within the capital market segment run as one unit

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<p>********. It doesn't matter if the "capital market segment" runs as one unit or not an operations analyst is not an IB analyst. He clearly listed all the positions and their differences and you come up with a non sequitur to try and conceal your ignorance.</p>

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How bought we just throw out the term ibanking all together, just as you want, because every company previously listed has multiple financial service divisions. </p>

<p>Please explain then why you would consider any of the bulge brackets an investment bank while you would exclude Baird

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<p>Please stop acting like you have a clue when you don't. Investment banks are not clearly defined into the categories "middle-market" and "bulge bracket." The whole ****ing point of my analogy is that just because an investment bank has a capital markets division does not mean it is either a "middle-market" or a "bulge bracket." Just like Lazard was not a middle-market prior to its split just because it occasionally did an IPO.</p>

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<p>My dear sir, your ignorance is dumbfounding.</p>

<p>He was listing jobs that were ib jobs as non ib jobs. He needs to figure that out by himself. Nor did he have a complete list in relation to his previous link to the nova database.</p>

<p>AND INVESTMENT BANKS CAN BE CLASSIFIED AS MIDDLE MARKET, it is a common term denoting the companies that the banks advises, raises capital, etc for in terms of yearly revenue. If you cant understand the correlation between capital markets and ib, then go ahead and go talk to one your school's famed alumni that have made the big leap over to investment banking.</p>

<p>Lazard is your wonderful example. It had an investment banking division before their ipo, and yes it was an investment banking division dealing with companies with revenue of less than 1 billion. EVERY COMPANY LISTED HAS MULTIPLE DIVISIONS....hard to understand isnt it.</p>

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n operations analyst is not an IB analyst

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<p>When did i ever say this? Keep looking because i didnt. I for one can at least understand the difference between bank of america and banc of america unlike uhyea, but however surprising he understand operations analyst are in totally different section of the bank</p>

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Lazard is your wonderful example. It had an investment banking division before their ipo, and yes it was an investment banking division dealing with companies with revenue of less than 1 billion. EVERY COMPANY LISTED HAS MULTIPLE DIVISIONS....hard to understand isnt it.

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<p>And here comes Captain Capslock. Man, you are thick-headed. Having multiple divisions does not mean an investment bank is not a boutique and has to be classified as either a "middle-market" or a "bulge bracket." And as I have said repeatedly I am using Lazard as an example because it was Not a "middle-market" prior to its split. Using analogies to try and explain things to slow teens... maybe not such a good idea.</p>

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<p>would you like to show me the companies they dealt with prior 2005 proving whether they are a boutique or not. I never said middle market was bad, however it is a second choice among many. Either the company has chosen who they deal with or they cant get the deals they want. Either way, they are still considered middle market, middle market not referring to an inability to do bigger deals, rather their actual deal flow with companies not exceeding the norm which would usually cap at 1 billion. </p>

<p>Unlike uhyea, you can write, i have nothing against IUB, i would go there if i had the chance. You seem to troll for your one and only. I am stating the facts and i am not saying anything is bad. It cannot be compared to other obvious schools, at least not yet</p>

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He was listing jobs that were ib jobs as non ib jobs

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<p>No, he wasn't. You just didn't like the fact that he showed you up.</p>

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then go ahead and go talk to one your school's famed alumni that have made the big leap over to investment banking.

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<p>At Kelley it is not a big leap. And if you had a clue, you'd know that.</p>

<p>What I think is funny is what started all this is when you pulled the judgement out of your ass that all IU can do is "middle-market" banks. When the major difference between "middle-market" and "bulge bracket" is sheer size. JPMorgan takes in massive analyst classes without even thinking about it. A smaller bank has correspondingly much less hiring power. The implication being one BB is equal to numerous small banks in terms of number of hires and campus presence. Which is why if you look at similiar schools with similiar panels you will see some small banks there too. Take McIntire for example:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.commerce.virginia.edu/career_services/Students/Events/PanelAgenda.9.18.06.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.commerce.virginia.edu/career_services/Students/Events/PanelAgenda.9.18.06.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Oh No, "middle-markets" in the line-up! I guess "UVA = regional banks" just like "Indiana = regional banks".</p>

<p>Wrong.</p>

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<p>actually he was</p>

<p>And my reference to the banks was pointed more to the prominence of their names and their clients which greatly effect future opps</p>

<p>You seem to believe i stated middle market and/or regional equals bad. I never did</p>

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<p>southpasadena, please tell me which ib job i listed as non ib, ibanking analysts are different then research analysts and sales and trading analysts, when the position title states analyst it could go either way, so i assumed they did count as ib analysts and still they only had 25. If you think you are so correct please show me an ib job that i said was a non ib job. You know your wrong get over it.</p>

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<p>Look at what you are writing under each job description. Possibly? You arent sure which is which</p>

<p>Why dont you add</p>

<p>Wachovia
UBS
Brown Brothers
CBIZ
Cyprus
M&T
Prestige Cap Partners</p>

<p>and then you add the correct number of hires for</p>

<p>Goldman
Citi
JPmorgan
ML
MS</p>

<p>and then we can get the correct number of jobs</p>

<p>And this is from a quick look over their database, i am sure there are regionals there that i don't know about while also excluding quite a few large asset management firms which Indiana gladly includes in their ib workshop because the name goldman just drives people crazy for IUB</p>