<p>Hi. I was wondering which other schools are very good at the above areas other than MIT and CalTech, plus Harvey Mudd.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>Carnegie Mellon University (especially in Engineering)
Columbia University
Cornell University
Georgia Institute of Technology (especially in Engineering)
Nothwestern University
Princeton University
Purdue University-West Lafayette (especially in Engineering)
Rice University
Stanford University
University of California-Berkeley
University of California-Los Angeles
University of Chicago (Chicago has no Engineering but is very strong in the Sciences)
University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
University of Texas-Austin
University of Wisconsin-Madison</p>
<p>Adding Virginia Tech. Very strong in both areas.</p>
<p>Washu and Princeton are both excellent schools. Washu has a renowned premed program and Princeton’s engineering rocks.</p>
<p>Science:
Stanford
Duke
Penn
Berkeley
WashU
Chicago</p>
<p>Engineering:
MIT
Caltech
Harvey Mudd
Berkeley
UCSD
Cornell
UMich
CMU</p>
<p>Duke, Hopkins, and Penn should be added to Alexandre’s list of universities. Less selective, Case Western and U Rochester.</p>
<p>Everyone keeps neglecting to mention LACs. For science/engineering:</p>
<p>Bucknell University
Harvey Mudd College
Lafayette College
Smith College
Swarthmore College
Trinity University
Union College</p>
<p>You obviously have many more excellent LAC options if you drop engineering as a requirement.</p>
<p>Duke is not known for engineering, other than bio. Sorry, but it doesn’t belong on the list. The OP asked for schools that are very good in both areas, so most LAC’s do not qualify either.</p>
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Your bias is showing. 
Georgia Tech, Purdue, Carnegie Mellon, and Rice made the list, all of which are much weaker than Duke in the sciences. If schools primarily strong in engineering are suggested, than schools primarily strong in the sciences should be as well. Besides, being in the top 20-25 for undergrad engineering is perfectly respectable.</p>
<p>As for LACs, I think it’s a bit hasty to rule them out entirely. Although I would definitely concede the huge advantages of a research university (which I attended), I think it’s up to the OP to decide whether or not to look into LACs.</p>
<p>What bias? I’m not the one here who always throws in Duke, Penn, and Hopkins names whenever any subject comes up. To be honest, in my opinion none of them belong in this discussion. If you felt that certain other schools mentioned didn’t belong, you should have stated that. Instead you added your bias’ and included schools that are your favorites along with conditions where more LACs might get included. The OP was asking for lists of schools that were very good in both areas and you failed to answer the question.</p>
<p>If that were true, rjk, I would have included UNC as well. You should know that it’s one of my favorites. 
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<p>(Besides, I seem to inadvertently end up bashing Hopkins a lot. To suggest that I’m biased towards it is, to say the least, slightly absurd.)</p>
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<p>Which is why I listed it under my list of schools known to have strong science programs… engineering and science are mutually exclusive.</p>
<p>Well in that case I’d add Wisconsin which is also very strong in the sciences.</p>
<p>Olin College of Engineering (MA) and Cooper Union (NYC). Both are very small and selective colleges (probably why you may not have heard of them) that are very very very respected in the engineering world. Also, they are completely free, if you get in.</p>
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Olin is “1/2 tuition” now due to the economy. Cooper Union remains tuition free.</p>
<p>eatsalot, Duke and Penn are not Science powerhouses. They are both excellent in the sciences mind you, but you listed just 6 universities for the sciences, and neither of the two belongs among the top 6 (or top 10 for that matter) in the sciences. You left out schools such as Caltech, Columbia, Cornell, Harvard, Princeton and Yale…all of which are better than Duke and Penn in the Sciences. </p>
<p>Duke ad Johns Hopkins are excellent in Biology and Biomedical Engineering. But beyond the Biological and Medical sciences, they are just not great. They Chemistry, Computer Science, Methematics and Physics departments aren’t generally considered among the very elite. They good but not great in Chemistry, Computer Science, Mathematics, Physics and all non-Bio related forms of Engineering, but if I were to make a list of the top 10 (or 6 in your case) science schools, neither would make the list.</p>
<p>Penn is good but not great in most sciences. With the exception of Physics, I cannot think of a Science field in which Penn is clearly among the top 20 and arguably among the top 15. </p>
<p>The schools I listed above are all ranked among the top 15 in every science and among the top 10 in several sciences. Duke and Penn aren’t.</p>
<p>If I were to break it down according to excellence in the Sciences (Biology, Chemistry, Computer Science, Mathematics and Physics), that’s how I would do it:</p>
<p>GROUP I
California Institute of Technology
Harvard University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Stanford University
University of California-Berkeley</p>
<p>GROUP II
Cornell University
Princeton University</p>
<p>GROUP III
Columbia University
University of Chicago
Yale University</p>
<p>GROUP IV
University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
University of Wisconsin-Madison</p>
<p>GROUP V
University of California-Los Angeles
University of Pennsylvania
University of Texas-Austin</p>
<p>GROUP VI
Duke University
Northwestern University
University of California-San Diego</p>
<p>Admittedly, very little separates each group, but if I were to list the top 6 Science schools out there, they would all come from groups I and II.</p>
<p>Re LAC engineering: Smith is women only. Trinity U only has Engineering Science. Union College only has electrical and mechanical engineering.</p>
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Neither Duke nor Penn is a science powerhouse, yet you include both in the top 19 for science? 
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<p>Let’s not define “very good” so narrowly or criticize suggestions quite so much. Nobody’s list of suggestions will be complete, and all of the schools mentioned thus far are much better than average in all of the sciences. The differences between the schools in terms of size and location are significant; the differences in the quality of their undergraduate programs are not.</p>
<p>Also- GEOLOGY IS A SCIENCE, PEOPLE. STOP FORGETTING IT.</p>
<p>IB class, I did not mean to say that Duke and Penn aren’t very good in the sciences because they are. Like I said, Penn is strong across the board but is not exceptional in any one science subject and Duke is exceptional in the Biological Sciences, but not that great in the other sciences. Overall, I would not list them among the top 5 or 6 science schools in the nation. Schools like Cal, Caltech, Cornell, Harvard, MIT, Princeton and Stanford are clearly stronger in the sciences.</p>
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<p>I don’t think so… Duke has nothing outside of areas that overlap directly with its (excellent) med school in the sciences.</p>
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USNWR Rankings in Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Geology, Math, Computer Science</p>
<p>Duke #12, #43, #29, #34, #21, #20
Carnegie Mellon #34, #50, #29, LACKS DEPARTMENT, #33, #4
Purdue #42, #22, #36, #43, #28, #19
Rice #48, #28, #29, #25, #28, #20
Georgia Tech #68, #26, #36, #55, #36, #9</p>
<p>Averages:</p>
<h1>26.5 Duke</h1>
<h1>29.7 Rice</h1>
<h1>30 CMU</h1>
<h1>31.7 Purdue</h1>
<h1>38.3 Georgia Tech</h1>