<p>Thats a good point. It will be nice to see the average SAt when Ross admits freshman and to see how many out of staters choose it over Stern, since Michigan is as expensive out of state as NYU.</p>
<p>Public school person eh? I attended Georgetown Prep in Rockville, Maryland and Eton College in England before attending Michigan (which costs as much as any private university and is wealthier than all by 7 private universities) and I did my graduate studies at Cornell. Yeah, I ooze of public school education! LOL You don't know me very well. </p>
<p>And you know exactly what I mean when I said SAT scores mean almost nothing. I was not talking about a difference of 200 points. I was talking about differences of 20 or 30 points. The mean SAT scores at Cal and Michigan are 10-30 points higher than the mean SAT scores at NYU, but I do not think that difference is telling. And the mean SAT scores at Haas and Ross are not measured. But like I pointed out above, only the top 10% of the students at Michigan and Cal are admitted in Ross and Cal. The top 10% of Michigan and Cal students have mean SATs close to 1500. So I doubt that you have many Haas and Ross students who could not get into Stern. That statement is completely unscientific and so vague it is not even worth discussing. </p>
<p>Finally, Sloan does not accept students like Stern, Wharton, Ross and Haas do. MIT admissions accepts students regardless of intended major. The mean SAT score of Sloan students is = to the mean SAT score of MIT students, which is 1480.</p>
<p>I'm pretty certain the average SAT at NYU is quite a bit higher than berkeley and ross. And you always throw in these subjective things whenever someone gives you objective facts. I remember once when someone showed the lsat at nyu was about 5 points higher than that of Michigan, you claimed to show that they were equal because of reputational scores by 80 year old judges. It's funny.</p>
<p>First of all, the mean LAST score at NYU Law is about 2-3 points higher than at Michigan Law, not 5. There you go again. Tell me something, do you actually look into the stats or do you just make them up? </p>
<p>NYU's mid 50% SAT range for the class of 2009 was 1220-1410. That's pretty identical to range at Michigan and Cal. I do not make up the numbers, they are availlable for all to see. </p>
<p>And what objective facts do you throw? Mean SAT scores? I tell you what, Tulane is a better university than both NYU and Michigan since their SAT scores are higher. And Washington University kicks Cornell's behind because the mean SAT score is higher.</p>
<p>"SAT means nothing? Then what means anything? Gpa means less, because everyone knows most high schools are a joke. You seem like the typical public school person who derides standardized test scores but thinks gpa in easy schools/majors actually means anything.
I would be willing to bet a lot than the typical Ross student cannot get into Stern."</p>
<p>what a feeble statement. so you gauge the ability of students by their SAT scores? maybe it is a few points higher, maybe not. even if it were there would still be no statistically significant data to show that the 'average Ross student' couldn't get into Stern. furthermore you say that most high schools are a joke and hold the SAT in such high esteem. and the SAT isn't? its not as if the SAT's are terribly difficult.</p>
<p>Alexandre, Are you from Rockville, Maryland? We live there.</p>
<p>I come from Lebanon, but I gre up in the UAE. My parents wanted me to have some international exposure when I was in High School, so they sent me on a three year trek, one year at Georgetown Prep and 2 years at Eton.</p>
<p>We have to remember that SAT is just one test in one sitting, while GPA is four years worth of study. Ideally, both would be high if one is a good student.</p>
<p>Anyway, I got into both Stern and Michigan but picked Michigan, and I have NO regrets at all. I talked to a lot of people who want to go to Ross starting their second year (we're freshman). The students trying to get into Ross are certainly not rejectees from Stern or anything like that. They're more like people who got into ivies but turned them down to go to Michigan and try out for the business program. (I've even met a prospective Ross student who had turned down Yale.) Almost everyone who is applying to Ross this year are exceptional students, and it's only going to get more competive in the new four-year program that starts this year. A lot are also in the UM honors program. Ross is not a joke, and it is just as heavily recruited as other top business schools. You can't compare Ross students with "regular" Michigan students. I'm certainly not saying that LSA and engineering are a joke, but Ross students are at the top.</p>
<p>nyusternman, u keep saying stern is better than ross and haas and that ross students can't get in stern etc, without much support from anything.. except for the SAT scores.... theres already research done tht shows SAT does not correlate to college perfomance or intelligence, thus the saying tht sterns student body is better is at false already.</p>
<p>Nerj notes, "theres already research done tht shows SAT does not correlate to college perfomance "</p>
<p>Response: Can you post the url for this research study? If I recollect, there was some corelation between SAT and first year college performance. I think its corelation degrades after that.</p>
<p>I'd say SATs are telling to a degree. Clearly, a school where the mean SAT score is 1450 has a better student body than a school where the mean SAT is 1250. But the mean SAT scores at Cal, Michigan and NYU are pretty similar (1320-1340). Stern's mean SAT score is roughly 1420. Ross and Haas do not admit students straight out of high school, so they do not list mean SAT scores. </p>
<p>However, to get into Haas or Ross, Cal and Michigan students must maintain a 3.3-4.0 GPA for 2 years, taking challenging weeder core classes like Calc I and II, Accounting and Econ I and II. The average Michigan student who gets into Ross maintains a 3.6 GPA in her/his first 2 years at Michigan. Only the top 10% of Michigan students maintain a 3.6+ GPA. So it is pretty logical to assume that the average Ross student belongs to the top 10% of Michigan's student body. The top 10% of Michigan's student body has a mean SAT score close to 1500. </p>
<p>I would say NYUsternman's claim that the typical Ross student would not get into Stern is pretty ignorant and lacks substance. the</p>
<p>i certainly cannot post the url cuz i havent seen those research. well, i saw it in either acing the college application or the truth about getting in or princeton review SAT books (which i guess is less trustworthy compared to the previous 2). so tht leaves my statement unreliable, however... if thts the case, u need to provide some sort of proof for saying tht SAT correlates to first year performance :)</p>
<p>to correct wat i said, i saw sth like 'research has found....' in the one of the above books</p>
<p>how come we always deviate form the topic?</p>
<p>Why is it some BBA programs like WashU (Olin), Haas, and I'm guessing Ross want people to take two semisters of calculus? Just seems so worthless, like they want to weed people out. Honestly do Ibankers and people in consulting use Calc 2? My guess is noooo.</p>
<p>I can see how economics majors might use it at top schools, but for god sakes not business majors.</p>
<p>For one, going to a bschool doesn't mean you want to be an ibanker. Finance is a very good undergraduate degree to have; it is quantitative, analytical, challenging, and practical, there are few if any majors that have the same positive qualities. High level finance requires calc/math much more so than econ, which is much less quantitative than is finance.</p>
<p>I went to stern but i am in medical school...
IF SAT means nothing, then what does? Don't bs, because you know most public high schools are a joke. All my friends who went to public schools say it's incredibly easy to get a 4.0+ in classes. Look to AP scores-most everyone I knew at Stern had 5s on the tough APs like physics and calculus.
and Stern isn't a BBA, it is a BS.</p>
<p>Alexandre, what was Eton like?</p>
<p>Eton can definitely be intimidating.The school has been attracting kids from the most influencial families for 600 years. It was initially designed as a </p>
<p>For an elite school, it is rather large, with roughly 250 students per class. Classes are very small (seldom more than 15 students per class), usually held in small class roms with elevated circular formations with the teacher standing in the middle of the class. </p>
<p>The school has many old traditions which are adhered to until this day. For example, you can tell a lot about a student by uniform he wears. Each student belongs to a House and will spend more time with House activities than with school activities. In that regard, Eton is very similar to Hogwarts. </p>
<p>But at the end of the day, it is just a school, not much unlike any elite high school around the world. Ironically, Eton was initially founded as a charity school to assist highly gifted students of modest means with good educations to ready them for Cambridge. Since then, it has gone on to produce 20 or so prime ministers of England and been the school of choice for several heirs to the throne of England.</p>
<p>I've talked to some NYU stern students (20+) and not many of them have scored over 1450 on the SATs...
But you cannot beat the location of NYU's business school :)</p>
<p>if you've spoken to 20 and a fair amount have over a 1450 thats a good thing. it's like that everywhere except Harvard or Caltech</p>