<p>The Kellogg Certificate Program has had pretty good job placement: [Kellogg</a> School of Management Undergraduate Certificate Programs - Kellogg School of Management - Northwestern University](<a href=“http://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/certificate/students/jobs.htm]Kellogg”>http://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/certificate/students/jobs.htm)</p>
<p>It’s narrower and much more quantitative than a typical undergrad business program though.</p>
<p>Um, I think it’s cute that so many Wolverines and Golden Bears think that they are superior to the Cavaliers. UVA McIntire and UMich Ross are both a step above UCB Haas, which I don’t consider to be a top 5 undergrad biz program. Almost no educated person I know believes that.</p>
<p>“But again, the OP was not requesting info on choice of major…”</p>
<p>Sometimes an OP, especially a HS junior, doesn’t know the best questions to ask or the alternative options available so posters try to widen their horizons.</p>
<p>McIntire uses a second tier faculty group and is considered good only because it is small and the student body highly selective. All the famous profs are at Darden.</p>
<p>les:</p>
<p>you might want to work on your critical reading skills. :)</p>
<p>We were opining that Cal-Haas is “best” in California, and last time I checked Charlottesville and Ann Arbor were far, far way from the left coast. :D</p>
<p>Depends on where you want to live – Anywhere on the west coast Haas is far superior for jobs in business.</p>
<p>Although in my opinion it’s better than those two anyway.</p>
<p>Haas is about as good as Ross, but McIntire is in a league below both b-schools…</p>
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<p>Yes, like the author of that comment. I still have a stromg suspicion that hmom really lives in a trailer in Jersey…</p>
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Um no, when it comes to Wall Street placement, McIntire and Ross are in a league of their own below Wharton.</p>
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<p><a href=“Bloomberg Businessweek - Bloomberg”>Bloomberg Businessweek - Bloomberg;
<p>Look at BusinessWeek’s ranking of undergraduate business schools, john2, to see factors to consider when comparing b-schools. According to their data, top pick in-
CA it would be UCB (Haas),
US it would be Virginia (McIntire).</p>
<p>*As for “little people”, hmom5, I doubt you are more successful than any of the S&P 500 CEOs; otherwise, you would 1) not have time to have over 8000 posts on CC and 2) have more important things to do than fighting with HS/college kids over how much Wharton is better, how XYZ univs/colleges aren’t IB targets on the internet, and trying to make us believe you are bigger than the CEOs. *</p>
<p>THANK YOU Sam Lee!! I thought I was the only one to have noticed this!!</p>
<p>There are several different ways to look at this question and I will present several different results. </p>
<p>Which school attracts the best students and thus theoretically provides the best networking environment? IMO, this is a listing that should not be limited to just those colleges with undergrad B-schools as so many colleges without this provide great post-graduate business opportunities (HYPS, Duke, Dartmouth, etc). Here is how the schools ranked overall in the Business Wekk Top 30 compare based on 50% weighted for Average SAT Score and 50% weighted for Average ACT Score:</p>
<p>Rank by Avg of SAT/ACT Scores , School</p>
<p>1 , U Penn (Wharton)
2 , NYU (Stern)
3 , Wash U (Olin)
4 , MIT (Sloan)
5 , SMU (Cox)
6 , Notre Dame (Mendoza)
7 , Carnegie Mellon (Tepper)
8 , USC (Marshall)
9 , Cornell
10 , UC Berkeley (Haas)
11 , Georgetown (McDonough)
12 , Emory (Goizueta)
13 , U Virginia (McIntire)
14 , Wake Forest (Calloway)
15 , U Michigan (Ross)
16 , U North Carolina (Kenan)
17 , U Illinois
18 , Boston College (Carroll)
19 , Villanova
20 , W&M (Mason)
21 , U Texas (McCombs)
22 , Northeastern
22 , Lehigh
24 , U Richmond (Robins)
25 , Indiana U (Kelley)
26 , U Washington (Foster)
27 , Babson
28 , BYU (Marriott)
29 , Miami U (Farmer)
30 , American (Kogod)
31 , U San Diego</p>
<p>Which school provides the best classroom learning environment and is recognized for its teaching within the business program? Business Week’s rankings try to measure this and I think that this is an extremely relevant listing. Here are the schools ranked overall in the Top 30 compared for this:</p>
<p>Teaching Quality , Student/Faculty Ratio , School</p>
<p>A+ , 3/1 , MIT (Sloan)
A+ , 10/1 , U Virginia (McIntire)
A+ , 10/1 , Emory (Goizueta)
A+ , 11/1 , U Penn (Wharton)
A+ , 11/1 , Wash U (Olin)
A+ , 11/1 , W&M (Mason)
A+ , 12/1 , U Richmond (Robins)
A+ , 13/1 , American (Kogod)
A+ , 14/1 , Wake Forest (Calloway)
A+ , 16/1 , Villanova
A+ , 16/1 , U San Diego
A+ , 19/1 , Notre Dame (Mendoza)
A+ , 19/1 , Cornell
A+ , 21/1 , Boston College (Carroll)
A+ , 22/1 , Babson
A+ , 22/1 , Lehigh</p>
<p>A , 10/1 , Carnegie Mellon (Tepper)
A , 11/1 , U North Carolina (Kenan)
A , 11/1 , NYU (Stern)
A , 15/1 , Miami U (Farmer)
A , 19/1 , BYU (Marriott)
A , 20/1 , SMU (Cox)
A , 21/1 , Northeastern
A , 25/1 , Georgetown (McDonough)
A , 27/1 , USC (Marshall)
A , 34/1 , U Texas (McCombs)</p>
<p>B , 15/1 , U Michigan (Ross)
B , 20/1 , U Washington (Foster)
B , 23/1 , Indiana U (Kelley)
B , 26/1 , UC Berkeley (Haas)</p>
<p>C , 21/1 , U Illinois</p>
<p>^ I appreciate your effort, but I think your ranking was a total crap. For example, how can Berkeley-Haas be just a “B” for classroom teaching when everyone I’ve known who went to Haas undergrad is pretty much satisfied with his/her classroom teaching experience there? </p>
<p>And, why would you rank schools based on SAT scores? </p>
<p>Do you really believe USC-Marshall is better than Berkeley-Haas???</p>
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<p>Yeah, because of their proximity to NYC. On the same token, McIntire would outrank Stanford on WS placement. But is McIntire superior to Stanford???</p>
<p>Businessweek teaching quality is very faulty. Indiana went from an A+ to a B in one year, with no faculty changes.</p>
<p>"California: UCB Haas (though given choice, Stanford Econ for best jobs in business)</p>
<p>US: UPenn Wharton (though given choice, HYPS Econ for best jobs in business)"</p>
<p>corrected.</p>
<p>RML,
I appreciate your comments, but I hope you understand that these are not my rankings. This information all comes from Business Week. They are the ones that gathered the information and published it as part of their overall ranking. Here is their overall ranking:</p>
<p>2009 BW Ranking , School</p>
<p>1 , U Virginia (McIntire)
2 , Notre Dame (Mendoza)
3 , U Penn (Wharton)
4 , U Michigan (Ross)
5 , BYU (Marriott)
6 , UC Berkeley (Haas)
7 , MIT (Sloan)
8 , Cornell
9 , Emory (Goizueta)
10 , U Texas (McCombs)
11 , Villanova
12 , U Richmond (Robins)
13 , U North Carolina (Kenan)
14 , Wake Forest (Calloway)
15 , NYU (Stern)
16 , Wash U (Olin)
17 , Boston College (Carroll)
18 , Miami U (Farmer)
19 , Carnegie Mellon (Tepper)
20 , Indiana U (Kelley)
21 , USC (Marshall)
22 , U Illinois
23 , Babson
24 , Georgetown (McDonough)
25 , U Washington (Foster)
26 , Lehigh
27 , Northeastern
28 , American (Kogod)
29 , U San Diego
30 , W&M (Mason)
31 , SMU (Cox)
32 , UC Santa Clara (Leavey)
33 , Bentley
34 , TCU (Neeley)
35 , U Maryland (Smith)
36 , Rensselaer (Lally)
37 , Texas A&M (Mays)
38 , Penn State (Smeal)
39 , Case Western (Weatherhead)
40 , U Wisconsin
41 , Fordham
42 , Ohio State (Fisher)
43 , Boston U
44 , James Madison
45 , Baylor (Hankamer)
46 , Chapman (Argyros)
47 , Ohio U
48 , SUNY-Binghampton
49 , Syracuse (Whitman)
50 , U Miami
51 , Georgia Tech</p>
<p>Re your comment on Stanford vs McIntire for Wall Street placement, it’s possible that McIntire has more grads in NYC, but I suspect that very few of the major Wall Street firms would consider it as superior to Stanford as a place to recruit for top talent.</p>
<p>That top talent has proven so good too–it takes a lot of talent to nearly bankrupt a country.</p>