<p>well, doing pre-med at JHU has significant consequences, although the succesful students, and there are many of them, do very well for themselves, the ones that don't make the very difficult cut are screwed. This is true at almost any school, but particularly at JHU, where a board of faculty might not allow you to apply to med schools if they feel your chances are hopeless. There is much to be learned about any school, and any school is a potential place for a certain type of pre-med student to do well, which you should investigate, as cre8tive1 is advocating, although it should be noted that plenty of people push LACs just as others push Ivies.</p>
<p>collegesuccess:</p>
<p>UCLA: Slight Reach (out of state)</p>
<p>Cre8tive1 is right you should sit down and examine a wide range of schools (Ivies, LACs, big publics etc). Just to let you know, that no matter where you end up as an undergrad, medical school admissions will be competitive. That is why only 50% of all medical school applicants are accepted to at least ONE medical school. Basically its up to YOU to make the most of your undergraduate education (scoring high on your MCAT, obtaining a high GPA, etc).</p>
<p>That's the one thing I don't get, there seems to be so many canidates for med school rejected, yet almost every undergrad program I see say "we have a 90+% acceptance rate for med school.</p>
<p>People only talk about certain schools, really. There are what, 3500 in the states? CC worries about fewer than 100. Also, I think we should keep in mind those who choose not to apply because they do so poorly in pre-med classes, and, to a lesser extent, those who change their minds about medicine for other reasons.</p>
<p>Cre8tive1 just as DRab said when were talking abot" 90+% acceptance rate for med school", we are only talking about selective schools (e.g. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, top LACs etc). Also as DRab suggested people who cannot perform well in pre-med classes often do not apply, that leaves only cream of the crop students, and as result we see 90+% acceptance from those selective schools.</p>
<p>No, I mean when I tour schools, everyone talked about 90+% acceptance rates including: Northeastern, Haverford, Dickinson, Tufts, Spelman, UMass, Temple (I don't believe the last two).</p>
<p>Seems like every admissions office say their track record is flawless, and if schools like Dickinson, Spelman, & UMass for instance have that record, what does that mean for every school ranked above it?</p>
<p>MIT only has a 75% success rate. </p>
<p>Berkeley's isn't so hot in total.</p>
<p>perhaps going through the effort and finding the numbers online would clear things up about your schools, including the ones you doubt. Why doubt the last two over the others?</p>
<p>How gd is premed in places like:</p>
<p>U Rochester,
Case Western RU,
Brandeis U,
McGill U,
or Cornell U?</p>
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<p>The board doesn't exactly 'disallow' you from applying. Not exactly. But it can threaten to give you a bad rec. </p>
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<p>perhaps 10 private schools and 10 public schools?</p>
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<p>I'm going to answer the question this. The best "premed" programs out there, hands down, without a doubt, slam-dunk, are not Harvard or Yale or Stanford or any of these places. Nope, not by a long shot. Not even close.</p>
<p>Far far and away the best "premed" programs are all those combined BS/MD programs out there that guarantee your spot in a med-school. Think about that - guaranteed admission to med-school. In this day and age, that is absolutely priceless. If I knew for sure that I wanted to be a doctor, I wouldn't even think twice about turning down Harvard for one of these deals. </p>
<p>Now, to be sure, some of these guarantees are really nothing of the sort. Many of these programs contain clauses that state that you have to maintain a certain GPA and/or get a high MCAT score to maintain that guarantee, and sometimes those GPA/MCAT thresholds are placed deliberately too high to prevent a lot of students in the program from activating the guarantee. Hence, you should inquire whether a particular program has such a clause and if so, historically how many students fail to cross that threshold.</p>
<p>HYPS have 90% and they do not discourage anyone from applying. 90% sounds pretty close to guarentee, AND you have the flexibility of not doing med school. People who go into college are not absolutely certain of their goals.</p>
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<p>No it's not. In fact, it's not even close. That's because you haven't figured in all those HYPS people who didn't even bother to apply to med-school because their premed grades/MCAT scores were too low. Those are the 'hidden' premeds that premed placement rates never capture, but you have to be cognizant of them when you determine what the 'true' premed placement rate is. That 90% rate only deals with those who actually apply, and says nothing about all those people who didn't even make it to that step. </p>
<p>BS/MD programs, on the other hand, have no 'hidden' premeds. Basically, you know that every single entering student to one of these programs is a premed. Hence, it's quite easy to determine what the 'true' premed placement rate of these programs is, as it's just a matter of determining how many people are able to stay alive in the program to activate the guarantee.</p>
<p>I justchecked Amherst, and it say 98% of "well-qualified" appplicants accepted on first try and 31% of "less qualified" applicants accepted on first try... 71% Accnot the number they eptance Rate in total, but that's spit out in admissions.</p>
<p>Where did you check this? Could you post it? It might be false information, or something. Is the site valid?</p>