<p>Yes, but if you combine HLS+YLS, Harvard undergrads do 30% better than their Yale counterparts when calculated on a per capita basis, and 66% better in absolute numbers.</p>
<p>Many of my classmates turned down YLS to stay at HLS because they didn't want to go to New Haven.</p>
<p>haha i love it when people say on HYP is better than another</p>
<p>especially when they use the word "lesser". are you trying to sound arrogant? you're succeeding pretty well. can you get snootier than "didn't want to go to new haven"?</p>
<p>go to princeton, if ske293 is any indication of the harvard student body. seriously, listen to yourself. you might be really smart and great for you, but listen to how you sound.</p>
<p>while I agree that ske293 could have phrased his statement a little more tactfully (or less snooty, in your terms) the sentiment is a valid one. Where you live has a drastic effect on the quality of your educational experience, both in that if you don't like your environment you're going to have a much more difficult time enjoying school, and also in that your physical location determines a large portion of what resources and positions are immediately available to you during the school year. </p>
<p>I agree that as you say HYP are all pretty much going to give you a great experience educationally, so in my opinion what it comes down to are the things like culture, climate, and location. In terms of location, new haven is a far less enjoyable climate for many (although not all) people than Cambridge or Princeton, so Yale does end up losing people for those reasons alone.</p>
<p> I agree with junelay. Go to Princeton for Undergrad and go to Harvard for Grad. </p>
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<p>I wasn't talking about combining HLS + YLS. I was just talking about YLS. And I think it is clear that, on a per-capita basis, more Yale undergrads than Harvard undergrads end up at YLS. </p>
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<p>And similarly, many students, including even Harvard undergrads, turn down HLS for YLS. I think jonri once showed that YLS beats HLS in cross-admit yields by about 3:1 (maybe even higher), and that even if we're talking about Harvard cross-admits (that is, Harvard undergrads who got into YLS and HLS), about half of them will choose YLS. If you dispute his figures, feel free to ask jonri about it (he hangs out in the pre-law section of CC).</p>
<p>Look, nobody disputing that HLS is a top-notch law school. But I think we also have to agree that YLS is also a top-notch law school.</p>
<p>My reply is here:
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=363740%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=363740</a></p>
<p>Ske- as you know and have pointed out, both Harvard and Yale completely dominate every other college in the country when it comes to placing alumni into the top graduate schools. I agree with you there - the margin between HY and everyone else is quite large. However, what you don't consider is the percentage who apply to those schools in the first place. Harvard is a bit more "pre-professional" than Yale, as shown here <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showpost.php?p=4378416&postcount=98%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showpost.php?p=4378416&postcount=98</a> - for all you know, given that Harvard and Yale are so close in terms of per capita placement into the top programs (as you admit, within a 30% margin), Yale students may actually have higher admissions rates into the top schools after you consider the percentage who actually apply to them.</p>
<p>Also, as you pointed out yourself, Yale has a much higher placement rate into Yale Law School than Harvard. Yale Law is a much stronger program than Harvard Law and unequivocally #1 - Harvard is arguably fourth, after Stanford and Chicago Law Schools. As Leiter has pointed out, Yale Law has a yield rate of 80-90% in a given year (and an even higher rate, in reality, once you consider that many admittees choose not to attend law school at all), while Harvard Law's yield rate is only a pathetic 60%. More than 80% of students admitted to both HLS and YLS choose YLS. That's not exactly a reason to use Harvard Law admission as an example of where the "best" students go: it's more likely to be the place where those thousands upon thousands of Yale rejects go.</p>
<p>All in all, however, in the real world, Yale alumni -- and perhaps even Princeton alumni -- end up becoming far more successful than Harvard alumni: perhaps because they aren't lemmings who blindly go on to the "top graduate schools" right after graduation:</p>
<p>"Among CEOs of Fortune 500 companies and Service 500 companies, the proportion of Amherst alumni was 1.25 times that of Williams alumni; Swarthmore had too few to be included in Fortune magazine's analysis (Yale had by far the highest rate, followed by Princeton). In Loren Pope's analysis of the percentage of alumni featured in Who's Who in America, all three schools [AWS] were very high and closely clustered. Relative to Yale's rate (the highest in the country, here set to 100), Amherst was 56.5, Williams was 54.2, and Swarthmore was 48.2; among the notable schools lower than all three were Dartmouth (44.8), MIT (43.3), Stanford (29.5), Penn (19.1), and Duke (14.9)." - UW Madison Department of Curriculum and Instruction</p>
<p>YLS's yield is 77% and HLS's yield is 68%.</p>
<p>I don't know what YLS's yield for cross-admits with HLS is, but it has to be lower than the general yield. Common sense dictates that the yield is lower when you are presented with another attractive alternative such as HLS than when you don't have that choice. So, sorry, there is no way 80% of common admits would go to YLS. If it were 65%, I might believe it.</p>
<p>You would need to provide links to support your claim. Harvard and U. Wisconsin top the list of undergraduate colleges for Fortune 500 CEOs. Stanford was close to the top and all the other schools were large public universities. I actually don't remember seeing Yale on that list at all.</p>