<p>CNI i'm from toronto, and if you want to attend a good b'school in canada, I suggest looking at University of Western Ontario (Richard Ivey School of Business) and York University (schulich School of Business), both of which are far better than utoronto for undergrad business.
stoneimmaculate, i do not wish to discuss this topic with you anymore. it is pointless to have a discussion with a completely close-minded and rigid person. i have a suggestion though: get to learn more about Stern. i know alot of people don't put alot of weight on rankings, but Stern would not be consistently in the top 5 according to USnews if it were not stellar. I have no idea what it is that makes you look so negatively upon Stern but i sincerely hope this does not stem from a possible rejection by Stern.
Moreover, i never said its the best school but i did say it is in the top. Your viewpoint, i should let you know, is not shared by many so i would keep it to yourself.
Also, ignorant means unaware and idiot means foolish, just thought you should know. they are not at all similar in meaning...maybe next time i would not use such big words to confuse you ;)
Best regards =)</p>
<p>Is this for a masters program or Undergrad? If Undergrad--anywhere above tier 2 is better than Stern or NYU in general. </p>
<p>Most people who think the city is a great place to spend undergrad never even lived in a city of more than 3 million. We've all heard some version of: "oo lala it's noo yawk city baby. study and partayy and shop on fifth and broadway all day~"</p>
<p>"NYC helps a student grow in all dimensions"-- most of the time it's the opposite. The city is nothing but distractions to your life as a student. The best academic environments are purely geared toward learning. No wonder Harvard is in tiny Cambridge and Princeton an isolated town in New Jersey--actually none of the ivies are in cities of more than 2 million except Columbia (but just imagine how much better an institution Columbia would be if it didn't sit in Upper West Side. ) </p>
<p>If you're thinking about masters, UChi is obviously top-notch. But Finance in NYC would offer more opportunities (in this case being in the big city is actually a plus).</p>
<p>Canadian- My dislike for Stern comes from the fact that almost every student there is the most pompous and arrogant of any I have ever encountered. They think that their school is the best school ever and will not listen to anyone who disagrees.</p>
<p>The fact that Sternies are so defensive about their choice and get butt-hurt every time someone implies that it isn't the best school in existence probably stems from the fact that they aren't sure whether or not they should be there at all.</p>
<p>Also, try not to be such an ass next time you get in an argument you can't win, if you really were born in '89 as your name and attitude suggests you have a lot to learn kid, you do not know me or anything about me or whether or not I am "ignorant" or an "idiot" so please refrain from further embarrassing yourself and your school.</p>
<p><strong>I have NEVER applied to Stern, so you're little theory is bogus</strong></p>
<p>canadian is at stern so he has every reason to make it out to be the best school in the world. i believe it's good, but i could never go to school at NYU - it's so expensive and the cost of living is so high. Many of NYC's great things - clubbing ,shopping, etc. require hefty sums of money.</p>
<p>If you got the $$$ go for it though !!!!</p>
<p>For finance at MBA and/or PhD level, both schools are great with UChicago is slightly ranked higher in most rankings.</p>
<p>For undergraduate level, UChicago doesn't have a undergraduate business school which offers finance major. Actually, quite some top universities don't have a undergraduate business school.</p>
<p>That's hilarious Canadian, how can you taunt your reputation coming from a school like NYU. Yes I know it's stern but getting into stern isn't a lot harder than the CAS or Tisch. You talk like someone who goes to HYMPS, which are an entirely different league, but again students of that caliber don't usually make posts that naive. </p>
<p>Look, Stern is a piece of cake to get into, they take over 40% of the applicants-- nothing to be proud of. It's pretty unlikely someone here on CC (who are generally strong students) would have been rejected by a #30 school overall.</p>
<p>Stern is much harder to get into than CAS. People in Stern have scores around 100-200 points higher usually. I've seen people with 2000+ scores get into CAS, but only 2200+ for Stern.</p>
<p>Yeah, stern is definitely way harder to get into than any other school at NYU, and it is more prestigious than NYU in general. That being said, it's not in the same league as ivy for sure, but it is a top bschool and it is very competitive.</p>
<p>40%??? oh woww...u must not have got the memo. this year they accepted only 19% of their applicants. last year it was 26%. but really, i can tell how close that number is to 40% <em>rolls eyes</em>
i see from your location that you are in new haven...please tell me you dont go to yale...or I would have to assume that the quality of students at yale is slipping.
is the M in HYMPS MIT? because that would make your statement void as I turned down MIT (Sloan in second year) for NYU Stern as I did CMU Tepper and Michigan Ross. Yes, it was the toughest of decisions choosing between any of the above schools (except maybe CMU) but in the end I chose according to fit and preference.
like i said, i'm done trying to paint the OP a clearer picture of stern. but please don't open your foul mouth if you don't know anything about it. 40% geez....</p>
<p>*sorry make that 22.6% for last year</p>
<p>Read some of Sergio's previous posts. It's pretty funny. He says that NYU is such a bottom tier school that someone has absolutely no chance of making a transfer to an ivy and that if they transfer, they should shoot for schools like Siena College and Montana State U.</p>
<p>I'd say Stern is pretty hard to get in. I saw lots of kids who get into Stern Scholars Program have to decide between Stern and other top schools including ivy, UChicago, Williams, Stanford, Northwestern.</p>
<p>IMO, for immediate job placement to the Street, Stern is as good as most top schools. But for grad school placement, Stern (and the whole NYU) is way weeker.</p>
<p>lmao i just read his comments and they're a hoot! hahahhaa...omg, thats hilarious! thnx jnpn....made my day =) hahaha</p>
<p>hmm.. personally, i really don't think that there's that big of a difference. I think anywhere that there's a curve and internships at stake, there will be huge competition/sabotage. </p>
<p>Does anyone know how UNC's undergrad program stacks up? To me, it seems like the best value, but I just don't see the same kind of opportunities there at a Stern or U of C</p>
<p>Stern certainly isn't as bad as some people are making it out to be in the thread, yet it certainly isn't as amazing as some assert either.
It does not top the laundry list of absolute top schools that people like listing (HYPSM, etc), but of course, it does pretty well for itself as well.</p>
<p>I personally believe that UChicago is the better overall school.
Realize that for investment banking, consulting, whatever, what they look for in undergraduates is ability to pick information up quickly and adapt in stressful situations ("general intelligence").</p>
<p>For this, UChicago is looked upon very highly by most recruiters based on what I've heard from some (don't count on this outside North America though--but I would say the same thing for NYU Stern or not).</p>
<p>You'll be far more focused at NYU Stern without the Core there, certainly, so if what you're interested in is purely finance, Stern would likely be the better choice, regardless of perception or whatnot.
Employers don't usually put that much emphasis in deep practical knowledge though, if you haven't learned it (they'll ask English majors different questions than Finance majors, with Finance getting the short end of the stick, as they expect specific knowledge rather than "thinking" answers). Whether or not that's right or fair is a different discussion, though.</p>
<p>For an overall well-rounded education, I would suggest Chicago.
I can at least assure you it certainly won't hurt you at all to go there.</p>
<p>Chicago MBA is better than Stern MBA, especially for finance. </p>
<p>Obviously Stern is better at the undergrad level...Chicago doesn't offer an undergrad finance/business degree. </p>
<p>Stern is pretty good with Street placement, but still a notch below HYPSM/Wharton...it's probably more on the level of Penn CAS, Chicago, Dartmouth, Duke, Michigan, Columbia, and Cal.</p>
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<p>Obviously Stern is better at the undergrad level...Chicago doesn't offer an undergrad finance/business degree.
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<p>That depends on whether or not he wants to major in finance or work in finance.</p>
<p>If he wants to work in finance, the fact that Chicago doesn't have an undergraduate finance/business degree is irrelevant.</p>
<p>With that, the fact that Princeton doesn't have an undergraduate finance/business degree (it doesn't even have a graduate one) doesn't mean that Stern is obviously better than Princeton at the undergraduate level.</p>
<p>I got into Stern but couldn't go because they gave me almost no money, which I think is the case with a lot of people who get in. I originally wanted to study business, which is why I went to Baruch college.</p>
<p>As time went by, I began to feel like majoring in business for undergrad was kind of pointless, since I am planning to get an MBA. For those who do not plan to go to grad school, majoring in finance undergrad is probably good, but for those who have grad school planned, a liberal arts education might be the better way to go, which is why I'm going to Williams to major in Economics or Math.</p>
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That's hilarious Canadian, how can you taunt your reputation coming from a school like NYU. Yes I know it's stern but getting into stern isn't a lot harder than the CAS or Tisch. You talk like someone who goes to HYMPS, which are an entirely different league, but again students of that caliber don't usually make posts that naive. </p>
<p>Look, Stern is a piece of cake to get into, they take over 40% of the applicants-- nothing to be proud of. It's pretty unlikely someone here on CC (who are generally strong students) would have been rejected by a #30 school overall.
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<p>That's the biggest pile of bull**** I've ever read. </p>
<p>Stern is very hard to get into. Yes NYU is ranked in the top 35 universities and the overall acceptance rate may not be so low. But Stern is definately very well respected and hard to get into. People do have the right to brag about it if they get in.</p>
<p>Allorian, Princeton does have a graduate finance degree (MFin). They just don't have an MBA program.</p>