Bit of a Reach? Asian, graduating in 2010

<p>Monstor, I wish. >.<</p>

<p>If you were, I’d say with near certainty that you are in at every college you apply to :(. Nevertheless, 3x USAMO and MOSP is terribly impressive, and I wouldn’t be surprised if you were still accepted by every institution you apply to. You might be filling top schools’ academic quotas, which are allocated for students whose academic achievements are so strong that they alone warrant a spot in admissions. Given your overall academic prowess in addition to your math abilities (something that I would imagine many USAMOers lack).</p>

<p>Best of luck but do not fret; work hard and no matter where you go to school you will probably lead a successful life (sorry if that sounds cheesy :P).</p>

<p>Obviously, you have an excellent chance at getting into the HYPSM set. But the main issue is whether you will get into multiple schools, or “Run the Table” whereby you essentially have your pick of schools come deposit time.</p>

<p>It is rare for anyone to “Run the Table”, but much less so for Asian applicants than any other group of students.</p>

<p>He won’t be able to “run the table,” but he’ll have a great table at which to sit when the time comes.</p>

<p>That’s all that matters, I suppose.</p>

<p>Gee, thanks guys. I’d be happy at any of the schools on that list, and I’m sure any of those schools has an underpopulated fire dancer community. =)</p>

<p>Like a lot of people have already said, the academics alone do not really stand out amongst some of the other potential applicants.</p>

<p>It might just all come down to the personal statement / interview. What are you planning on writing your essay on?</p>

<p>“He won’t be able to “run the table,” but he’ll have a great table at which to sit when the time comes.”</p>

<p>Very true. I’d say multiple acceptances are very likely barring disaster.</p>

<p>I think you have a really good profile… any chance of being a walk on for their tennis team?</p>

<p>Only as a waterboy/photographer. =)</p>

<p>Shutterthug I’m an Asian graduating from high school in 2010 too. No one has replied to my chance thread, but its all good. I think we are probably in the same boat? You have better SAT scores than me, but I’m starting to get the feeling that most people on CC are too opinionated to be of real help? </p>

<p>“You’re ok. Likely reject.” I don’t see how someone could just write you off like that, considering they haven’t read your essays or done an interview with you. </p>

<p>Hey someone told me that a really good way to better position yourself in the application process is this. Go on the forums like this and read other people’s profiles and find a way to make yourself appear more attractive. Even if they out score you (Like you do to me :frowning: ) and even if they are an Eagle Scout (which I am not), find sides of you that are more unique and will make you stand out.</p>

<p>write your essay about fire dancing. the math accomplishments will speak for themselves, so just list those.</p>

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<p>That’s an amazing claim: (1) Harvard has a “Director of Asian-American admissions”, and (2) file reading by this alleged Director operates less as a second chance for Asian applicants (as exists for minorities, legacies etc who get second consideration before a rejection) than as a way of weeding them out.</p>

<p>Can you elaborate on how you know, or why you claim, that (1) and (2) are the case? Given the Federal investigation into Harvard’s admission of Asians a couple of decades ago, it is wildly implausible that Harvard would put Asians on a visibly, structurally distinct admissions track (from whites) except in a manner clearly meant to help them or prevent discrimination, e.g., ensuring a second reading of applications as is done for URM candidates.</p>

<p>I really think he has a chance to “run the table.” That’s not to say it’ll definitely happen, but being one of the strongest math students in the nation + also being well-rounded acadmically + having dedicated, unique ECs can obviously get a person far. You can’t really get much better academically, and every top school still has hundreds of spots available for the unhooked.</p>

<p>Wow, USAMO 3x sounds really impressive; but don’t think that Eagle Scouts makes you look very impressive - a really smart kid I knew got rejected/waitlisted at every Ivy he applied to and is now only going to BC :confused: But then he had rather weak ECs and didn’t win any national recognition like you have done w/your math interest.</p>

<p>But w/Harvard it’s so hard to know whether or not you’ll get in … I remember there was this guy at my high school who was really nothing extraordinary (on school’s tennis team, lots of clubs, student council, etc.) and got into HYP. I could hardly believe such an ordinary kid was that lucky. But this was in 2007, so things may have changed.</p>

<p>From “Inside the Meritocracy Machine” (NY Times, circa 1996), read about the Harvard Director of Asian-American Admissions, who also pulled double duty as Regional Admissions Director for Northern CA and a few small states.</p>

<p>[Inside</a> the Meritocracy Machine - The New York Times](<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/1996/04/28/magazine/inside-the-meritocracy-machine.html?pagewanted=8]Inside”>http://www.nytimes.com/1996/04/28/magazine/inside-the-meritocracy-machine.html?pagewanted=8)</p>

<p>Margot Hsu Carroll, who oversees Asian-American admissions at Harvard, acknowledges that the Asian tradition undervalues the well-roundedness that is more valued by America in general and Harvard in particular. “The message is getting out in the Asian-American community, slowly, but it’s getting out,” Carroll said, “that Harvard is looking for more than just high test scores and class rank.”</p>

<p>Fall or spring, the decision-making process is largely the same. It works this way: each applicant’s folder, with all the pertinent scores, grades, recommendations, essays and interview reports, is read first by the admissions officer with responsibility for the geographic region where the applicant went to high school. These area reps, as they are known, are meant to be advocates for the students in their assigned areas. It’s their job to work with counselors, teachers and administrators at the area schools, and to meet with as many students as possible, in an effort to get as many qualified applicants as possible into the pool. When the applications arrive, they don’t exactly switch hats, but they begin to narrow down the field to those applicants they can fairly represent in committee meetings as viable Harvard candidates. So for the officers as well as for the candidates themselves, the process is a bit of a competition.</p>

<p>[Inside</a> the Meritocracy Machine - The New York Times](<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/1996/04/28/magazine/inside-the-meritocracy-machine.html?pagewanted=9]Inside”>http://www.nytimes.com/1996/04/28/magazine/inside-the-meritocracy-machine.html?pagewanted=9)</p>

<p>“Area reps have the authority to identify an applicant whose folder does not impress by entering the candidate directly into the regional computer file known as a docket without a second reading. This is called “coding out,” and though it’s not a disqualification, it is a signal that the application will need bolstering if the candidate is to be considered seriously. The area reps wield this power to varying degrees. Brooke Earley, a young woman in her second year on the committee who represents Georgia, the Carolinas, Kentucky and Wisconsin and parts of Massachusetts, said she coded out maybe 40 of 220 early-action applicants this year. Margot Hsu Carroll, who represents San Francisco and some of California’s northern counties, along with Delaware, Maryland, Rhode Island and parts of Massachusetts, said she reads between 800 and 900 folders a year. “Maybe half the ones I read will not get a second reading,” she said.”</p>

<p>[So Hsu-Carroll says she rejected half of her applicants outright, while her colleague only rejected 44 out of 220 ED applicants. A very large number of Northern CA applicants are Asian, by the way.]</p>

<p>He he, race-traitor.</p>

<p>I prefer to use the term “self-loathing” Asian.</p>

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<p>That’s not what the article says. It doesn’t mention any “Director of Asian-American Admissions”, and it’s unlikely that Harvard or any similar school has a position (whatever its title) with the job function you assigned.</p>

<p>Specifically, where in the article is there an indication that white and Chinese applications from San Francisco are processed in a structurally different way, such as an extra reading and weeding by the Maximum Honcho Overseer Of Asian-American Rejection?</p>

<p>Is it true that Harvard likes trilinguals?
I think I may classify as a tetralingual striving to become a pentalingual.</p>

<p>Whatever…if it doesn’t affect you, why should you give a ***** about Margot Hsu-Carroll (or her successor “overseeing Asian-American admissions at H”)? Otherwise, ignore at your own peril.</p>