<p>SAT: 2400
SATII: Math IIC 800, Physics 800, Lit 800
AP: BC 5, Eng Lang 5, Stat 5, APUSH 5
GPA: 93 (I got to busy with my EC)
EC: CEO of Edkinect (education via technology)</p>
<p>Mr. 800 SAT and 800 Math IIC, use your reasoning skills. What do you think are your chances, smarty?</p>
<p>That’s all you have?</p>
<p>@dongmong Your academic credentials are excellent, but you are competing for 20% of the seats in most prestigious schools. Hopefully you have something that is lots more attractive than your impressive scores. The fact of the matter is that you will get into a very good college, will it be Harvard? That greatly depends on if they feel you are one of the Asians they want to admit.</p>
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<p>What does the 20% refer to?</p>
<p>^^ It’s actually less than 20%. See: [Do</a> colleges redline Asian-Americans? - The Boston Globe](<a href=“http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2010/02/08/do_colleges_redline_asian_americans/]Do”>http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2010/02/08/do_colleges_redline_asian_americans/)</p>
<p>“Yale’s class of 2013 is 15.5 percent Asian-American, compared with 16.1 percent at Dartmouth, 19.1 percent at Harvard, and 17.6 percent at Princeton.”</p>
<p>While it is unlawful for Harvard, and other colleges, to have quotas, they can (and do) use race as one of the factors in admissions.</p>
<p>See: [Harvard</a> Gazette: High court affirms use of race in admissions](<a href=“http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2003/07.17/13-affirm.html]Harvard”>http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2003/07.17/13-affirm.html)
“The ruling will not affect Harvard College’s admissions policies, which have long considered race along with many other factors to assemble a diverse class of incoming students.”</p>
<p>“Harvard does NOT do quotas.” Not officially but it’s pretty conclusive that un-official targets exist among all the selective colleges for various subgroups. It’s verified by the relatively stable percentages of sub-groups from year to year. Look at ethnicities, men/women, internationals, the whole spectrum. Notice how they vary little year to year, among all the colleges. Coincidence?</p>
<p>It’s how you present yourself, how you stack up against the other thousands who match your stats and started a venture. What makes them want you? The quota argument is overdone; in the end, they accept individuals. Not a blind x% from this pile or that one. Viewing things in terms of some recipe is too simplistic.</p>
<p>The Supreme Court will once again confront the issue of race in university admissions (2/21/12): [U.S</a>. News - Affirmative action in college admissions? Supreme Court to hear case](<a href=“http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/21/10466979-affirmative-action-in-college-admissions-supreme-court-to-hear-case]U.S”>http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/21/10466979-affirmative-action-in-college-admissions-supreme-court-to-hear-case)</p>
<p>I’d say you are in - only if you have very strong hook(s). For a non-hooked Asian, though, you may just have a fair chance largely depending on your ECs, recommendations, and essays. It’s noticed that your GPA is relatively low, and your explanation is weak. The general impression would be: if you get perfect or near perfect scores in standard tests (assumingly without many tries) but only a relatively lower GPA, you are probably not a hard-working person or you may not take your work seriously enough… That may hurt you.</p>
<p>I’m not sure which grade you are in, but 4 APs for an Asian senior are definitely not many (unless your school does not offer more than 5-6 APs). That may not be enough for a junior (or even a sophomore in some cases) to be ranked high in his/her class, given your GPA.</p>
<p>@gibby, re:#10
[U.S</a>. News - Affirmative action in college admissions? Supreme Court to hear case](<a href=“http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/21/10466979-affirmative-action-in-college-admissions-supreme-court-to-hear-case]U.S”>http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/21/10466979-affirmative-action-in-college-admissions-supreme-court-to-hear-case)</p>
<p>Well, the best Asian American students can hope for, for the future generations of asian americans, hope that this Race-based admission practices be made illegal. This is the only way the asian americans can be treated fairly in the college admission. Economic, personal, … disadvantages can be certainly considered … but not race. This is the single most unfair discrimination for all asian americans … whether you are k-12 fututre college applicants or young parents or old parents, asians are being discriminated unfairly in college admission just because of their race.</p>
<p>Is there any chance to attend harvard who has only ibt toefl score?
Yeah I know, SAT is the most preferred score. But In my country
It’s a little bit strange and somehow difficult.
Anyway, If I got over +100 ibt toefl score
Will I have any chance to win financial aid or at least accepted?</p>
<p>^ this sounds like a question for Harvard Admissions, not College Confidential</p>
<p>TOEFL only tests English comprehension. SAT/ACT is required of all applicants.</p>
<p>Ok. Thanks for answering immediately.</p>
<p>“CEO”</p>
<p>I lol’d.</p>
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<p>You know, you could just work on your “venture” and grow it into a decent business instead of simply seeing it as an extracurricular that will get you into Harvard.
Who knows? Once you’re a billionaire with that Edkinect, I’m pretty sure Harvard will admit you.
You can’t just mold your EC’s based on getting into Harvard (or any other university.); I personally think it’s amazing that you’re a CEO of a business, but why did you start that business? Do you plan on selling it to pay for your Harvard undergrad tuition? Are you going to continue to work on it?</p>
<p>I don’t know. I think that’s something interviewers will ask you, and that it’s something the Harvard admissions committee will think about.
Also, the “asian” factor… It’s just common sense! You can’t have an entire class full of athletes, and you can’t have an entire class full of scientists!
You can’t have an entire class of people who only eat rice, either.
I think people place way too much weight on the race quotas. To me, it’s just common sense to want a diverse class. If you don’t get in, don’t blame it on your race. It’s true that people judge Asians as having high standards (and thus the bar MAY be higher), but if anything that should motivate you to stick out from the rest.</p>
<p>…if you think about it, every culture presents their own different contribution to society.
Even though I’m asian myself, I don’t think that race-based admissions should be made illegal. If you think logically about it, it makes sense.
If that makes Asians more cutthroat when it comes to Harvard, so be it.</p>
<p>@ellefalloir- Agreed with everything you said, except for the fact that we don’t just eat rice. We love chicken and beef, and sometimes even mutton too. Pasta works just fine most of the time.</p>
<p><em>sigh</em> ‘Asian’ stereotypes :/</p>