Black student trying to transfer from a tiny Midwest LAC =(

<p>Note: See next post for the plain question minus the story. </p>

<p>Hello, all. I come to you today because I’m facing quite the dilemma. I’ll try to keep this practical instead of letting it slip into the dark chasm of superfluous melodrama. I’m a black student that grew up in a poor area in rural Mississippi that really didn’t provide me with much of an intellectual background growing up. However, near the end of my high school career, I seem to have boomed intellectual and developed quite the interest in literature. I would spend days at a time reading about literary history on the internet and buying the books and digesting them all myself. However, I really didn’t have anyone around to discuss said novels with. Near the end of my high school career, I was almost completely uninterested in what most of my peers, no matter their background, were into. I figured the solution to this would be to get out into the world and see what college had to offer! </p>

<p>However, this turned out to be quite difficult for me due to the fact that my old high school counselors were more concerned with convincing students to go to a.) the local state schools b.) community college c.) trade school. Obviously, complete with flimsy notions of grandeur, I told myself that I’d go against the grain all by myself and make something of myself. That’s where you guys come in. I used to frequent these boards two years ago (granted, I was more of a lurker) and can say without vain that I absorbed WAY too much knowledge about colleges in the United States. However, this knowledge didn’t do me much good since I realized just how poor of a student I was. </p>

<p>You see, I grew up in a single household with a mom that pretty much worked all day and thus I really couldn’t get to my school to participate in many extracurricular activities. Even then, the extracurriculars weren’t all that great in the first place. As a result, I just kind of sat in my room and read/gathered knowledge about the world via the internet. Also, I’m pretty cognitively inept in the first place but I’m guessing that the instruction in the math and sciences at my school weren’t that great to begin with. While I did well enough in the classes, I did horrible in those sections of the ACT. I remember much about my individual scores overall but I got a 24 composite on the test. My reading and grammar scores were above average but the other two just sort of killed me. </p>

<p>So, when lurking these sites, I realized just how inadequate of a student I am and decided not to shoot my sights TOO high. I mean, these people would just laugh at my application. (And, seriously, I’m nowhere near as smart as I thought I was back then.) Long story short, I wound up at a small Midwestern liberal arts college who loved my application to death. </p>

<p>A lot of things have happened but ultimately, I’m beginning to feel very lonely and depressed in this atmosphere. There are many dimensions to this. One is the fact that there simply aren’t many minority students here and I feel that, as a whole, I’m not growing as a black person at all. (Hahaha so that strikes Macalester off of your guess list) I know lots of people that are happy here and thus I don’t want to undermine the school itself. Granted, most of the happier people here fall into your middle/upper-middle class, politically correct, indie rock-listening hipster paradigm. I have nothing against this. Hell, I like indie rock and suchwhat a lot. (Radiohead is awesome.) Though, I don’t really feel like I fit in entirely because I’ve found people that like the kind of things I like but there aren’t many people that can relate to my background/upbringing. </p>

<p>Another thing that bugs me is the fact that I was kind of expecting to be challenged more by my peers. I hate to sound crude but some of these people were born with so much and have had such expensive educations and they really can’t seem to take care of themselves academically or otherwise. I mean, not to toot my own horn here but professors generally have nothing but praise for my work and one of the admissions counselors has come up to me and told me that I wrote her favorite admissions essay of all time. I appreciate this. Honestly, the academics are the only thing that keeps me here. My teachers are very invigorating and awesome. I’ve also become something of a public figure on campus due to my opinions of racial issues happening on and off campus. However, the only thing I really learn from many of my peers involve that dreaded Pitchfork Music website and cigarettes. Again, I’m sorry if this sounds critical. They’re all genuinely happy with each other and who am I to attack them? </p>

<p>And finally, this place is just small. There is nothing to do. I want to be able to go to concerts and meet a variety of people. </p>

<p>Now, I want to transfer to another school. I kind of think I sold myself short and am developing an inferiority complex from perpetually being the outsider while all of my friends are living normal college lives. However, my high school record hasn’t changed. Though, I’ve been doing well enough I college: I’ve taken a full year of Sanskrit and now we’re (slowly) translating stuff, I did a summer of intensive Japanese and am still working with that and I’m taking Ancient Greek for ****s and giggle. In my paper-based classes, I’ve gotten nothing but good comments for my clarity when it comes to things I care about. I’m even involved in a few clubs and a frat! I think I can try again and ultimately go to a place that a.) is more vibrant b.) more diverse c.) is larger. Also, my family is in Mississippi and Ohio and money is scarce. It’d be great if I could visit them sometimes. Also, I don’t want to buy into the whole “prestige doesn’t matter” crap. I’d love to have peers that are more proud of themselves! I’m sick of having friends saying they’re only here because they couldn’t get into a more well-known school. </p>

<p>The biggest problem, however, is money. I’m being given A LOT of money to come here by the school and it seems practical that I should stay here and reap the benefits. However, I was beginning to wonder if my happiness was worth it. This may be the biggest obstacle I face. </p>

<p>Sadly, I’ve forgotten most of what I’ve researched in the past and now I come to you for help.</p>

<p>Hi!</p>

<p>I'm a student at a small Midwestern liberal arts college that's looking to transfer to another school. My stats really aren't all that great. In high school, I had a 24 on my ACT and really didn't have much in the way of extracurriculars. As a result, I'm here because I was realistic about my chances. </p>

<p>Now, however, I'm well on my way to finishing my second year of college. Right now, my GPA is a 3.3 due to a lame class last semester but I'm expecting it to be above a 3.5 before the year is over with. I'm a languages guy and I'm working on completing my second year of Japanese. Once this year is over, I intend to do an intensive third year program just to get myself back up to speed. Also, we covered the entire Sanskrit grammar in a year (I'm admittedly very rusty) and now we're translating some stuff. Though, I intend to find some sort of program for this too assuming I can pay for it! So, I think I'm ready to do college level work now. </p>

<p>What are some schools that are fairly diverse and can help me out in these academic areas? Thanks!</p>

<p>what are you stats, once you complete two years at your current university your high school record will not matter.</p>

<p>Depending onyour current gpa , and if you write another excellent essay, you could probably get into a good school, especially since your current activities seem good and your miniority status will help you alot. </p>

<p>Post your current stats and waht school u go to.</p>

<p>ok, sorry i posted that b4 you posted your second post.</p>

<p>Are you looking for schools only in a particular geographical area.</p>

<p>I suggest go to collegeboard.com and narrow down the list to the shcools your intrested in ... they have this nifty little questionnare that will match you with prospective schools.</p>

<p>atleast this way you will narrow down the basics .. the rest you can gather on here.</p>

<p>Hmm. I can give you some vague ideas!</p>

<p>Brown and Swarthmore are probably the closest things to dream colleges I have but I'm a bit skeptical about my chances. Though, look where that attitude got me before...</p>

<p>In terms of geographics, I'd love to stay in the South or visit the East Coast. I don't want anything to do with a region that has "west" in its name. </p>

<p>1.) Tulane would be really good for me if it weren't for all of that hurricane business. </p>

<p>2.) I could try an HBCU but most of their scholarships are very statistics-based and I don't think I have those. Also, based on what I've heard, they really don't have the money to cover so much of my need. I really don't want to take out a ridiculous amount of loans! The only schools that seem to have the money to take me are LACs or really popular, prestigious private universities. </p>

<p>3.) Even though it has a lot in common with this school, I'd be willing to give Oberlin and/or Kenyon a try. I'd have to get a student to tell me about the atmosphere there, though.</p>

<p>4.)A larger, more well known state university would be nice but I'd probably have to go through a ****load of red tape and have money issues. </p>

<p>I'll do some thorough research soon...</p>

<p>dont concern yourself with the financial situation upfront.
Just find comparable colleges, find about 10 of them, apply to all ten, make sure about 4 of them are reaches... amongst the 10 atleast 1 is bound to offer you the type of financial aid package that you need.</p>

<p>Oberlin (30 minutes from Cleveland), Kenyon (VERY rural) and Swat (25 minutes outside Philly) are more isolated than Macalester is, so I'd hesitate about recommending them very strongly. Brown is cool, but the Twin Cities are definately more happening than Providence. And, Swat kids underutilize the city. I'd recommend WashU, UChicago, URichmond, Tufts, Sarah Lawrence, Hampshire, Davidson (although it is 20 minutes from Charlotte), Wesleyan U, Carnagie Mellon, URochester, John's Hopkins, Emory, and Vandy.</p>

<p>Most of the LACs and many of the universities will have kids like the ones at Macalester, so it may not be very different than what you are currently experiencing. Unfortunately, colleges and universities often do not have large non-minority populations, so that can be an issue. </p>

<p>If having to work part-time is an option to ease your money worries, I'd suggest applying to UPenn's College of General Studies. Most of the classes meet at night, or during the day if it is not otherwise offered. Same faculty, same diploma, less expensive, meets need, and has a vibrant scene.</p>

<p>Otherwise, just continue to get more involved with EC's specific to your interest. And, remember to cut some of your peers some slack, a good number of them have lived in a "bubble" all their lives and are just starting to try to go beyond that. I know it can get a little frustrating, but see it as an opportunity to teach them something they don't know, even if it means that they ask odd questions or say the wrong thing at times. They'll eventually get it--though it may take a few tries.</p>

<p>Perhaps, that is what your Mac classmates are there to help you with...to make you dig deep to further develop a sense of calmness when dealing with those who do not understand where you came from. Sometimes peers don't challenge others or think to do so because they are unsure of themselves, fear coming up short, or do not want to be disrespectful.</p>

<p>In your OP, you sound like you'd really like Reed C or Grinnell C. The down side is that Reed is in the Pacific Northwest, and Grinnell is in small town Iowa. They are both very diverse schools located in very different enviornments (city versus rural). Grinnell, I must say, is unusual. I was planning to dislike before spending the night and touring its campus, because of its location, but I was/am amazed at how open and accepting the students were/are. Now, in situations like yours, I usually suggest it. The location might not have the nightlife of the city, but its ability to encourage intellectual and social endevors while being active in personal causes are astounding.</p>

<p>Anyhow, good luck at Mac, and look at some of the schools I mentioned.</p>

<p>BTW...schools will still look at your HS transcript, although that will matter very little especially in light of your performance at Macalester.</p>

<p>Berea College in Kentucky come to my mind when I read your post. It doens't charge tuition, and only admits low-income students (It could afford this because its endownment is unusually large for a school its size, $700 mil.) The education there is top notch; it's not Williams, Pomona, or Swartmore, but respectable still. You will find students who come from similar background as your own.</p>

<p>Thanks for the replies so far, everyone! =)</p>

<p>First and foremost, I guess I should say that my lame joke didn’t translate well into my writing. The school I actually attend is Beloit College in Wisconsin. Macalaster seems to pride itself on racial diversity so I was making a quick jab at their idealism. </p>

<p>Also, I guess I’m still kind of rusty about the whole urban thing. I’d be perfectly okay with living in a rural area as long I was on a campus that I’m truly happy in. So, I guess I’m not really looking for the urban highlife just yet. It’s not that hard to satisfy a guy that grew up in a town of 3,000. </p>

<p>Concerning schools, the ones that make the most sense to me are: </p>

<p>Swarthmore - !!! This school seems to be amazing. This is one of the main schools that I wanted to attend when first applying for colleges but shied away from due to my abysmal high school record. (Though, it should be known that I did graduate with highest honors and in the top 25% of my class.) Plus, due to its location, I’ll easily be able to visit my sibling in Ohio. I’ve researched the academics too and everything seems perfect for me. Though, this is definitely a reach.</p>

<p>Grinnell – I have to say that you’ve swayed me a little. =) Though, I’ve kind of had my eye on it for quite a while. I know that it’ll probably be similar to Beloit. Though, I’d have to research a little to see if it fits with me academically. </p>

<p>Earlham – This will be an easier school to get into but I think I’d be really happy here as well. I chatted with some of the students of this school for a while when figuring out where to apply and they were all really down to earth and fun. Also, their Japanese program is stellar and I could really hop on that bandwagon. Also, the college isn’t that far from people that I should see more often. I hear that Earlham has a fair percentage of minority students as well. </p>

<p>If anyone with any direct experience with the aforementioned schools or any of the following: Weseleyan, Emory, Kenyon, Oberlin or Brown (why the hell not?), please share! </p>

<p>Finally, yes, I understand what you mean about my peers. I tell myself that every day and it gets me through it. Though, sometimes I tell myself that I deserve the same idyllic college experience as everyone else, you know? Though, I’m probably just fooling myself…I’d love to discuss this some more, though. Maybe I’ll make a post about it in another forum. </p>

<p>P.S. I’m reading up on all of your other suggestions. Thanks!</p>

<p>Kewl.</p>

<p>Then definately look at Wesleyan, Grinnell (looked at Carleton, Macalester, Beloit, and Oberlin, but liked it better), Oberlin, Haverford (it's closer to Philly, and you can take classes at Bryn Mawr, Swarthmore, and UPenn), Reed, Davidson, and Vassar.</p>

<p>Wesleyan, Grinnell, Oberlin, and to an extent Macalester, Reed, Vassar, and Haverford feel like Brown.</p>

<p>After reading your posts, I think UVa may be a school you might want to look into. Its located below the Mason-Dixon line, very well-known, strong in the arts, and has one of the best campuses in the nation.</p>

<p>As for the finances, Access UVa guarantees that the university will do the following (from the UVA website):</p>

<p>1)Meets 100 percent of demonstrated need for all admitted undergraduate students. </p>

<p>2)Replaces need-based loans with grants in the financial aid packages of low-income students — those whose family income is equivalent to 200 percent of the federal poverty line or less. </p>

<p>3)Caps the amount of need-based loans offered to any student at approximately 25 percent of U.Va.’s in-state cost of attendance over four years, and will meet all need above that amount with grants. All students, regardless of state residency, will receive the in-state cap level. </p>

<p>(BTW: 25% of the in-state COA is ~$4000)</p>

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The biggest problem, however, is money. I’m being given A LOT of money to come here by the school and it seems practical that I should stay here and reap the benefits.

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littlebird, you've received lots of great school suggestions above. I have to say your thread has brought out the best in the posters who hang out on the transfer forum. Stick with us as you think through the possibilities. You should definitely go for your dream schools (Brown, Swat...) IF the money can work. And you seem to understand that you need the match and safety schools, too, which is where this board can help. </p>

<p>My immediate question is re finances. Is it merit or need-based aid you are currently receiving. If it is merit, will you qualify for sufficient need-based aid at need-only schools like Brown and Swarthmore? I'm guessing you will, but we need to hear your EFC or whether you and your mom are clear that you can pay your EFC at need-only schools.</p>

<p>If you can't, then you need to focus only on merit $$ schools. I am hoping that the need-only schools will work for you; as merit $$ tends to be more limited for transfers.</p>

<p>Also, I don't want to discourage you from the transfer idea. Not at all. But another option to consider is staying where you are - since there <em>are</em> a number of things you like about it. And focus on going to a bigger pond for grad school. YOu might find you are able to focus more on the positives than the negatives of Beloit if you have grad school in an ideal location to look forward to. Just a thought.</p>

<p>Hi, everyone! I was just on my way out so I can't make an elaborate post right now. However, I will throw this out there: My EFC this year was a straight up zero. If anything, a well-endowed need-based school would be great for me but I do try to manage outside scholarships when I can. </p>

<p>I'll be sure to write more when I get back in!</p>

<p>Ah, okay. Thank you all for the concern you’ve shown for my dilemma so far! I’ve looked at some school and most of you were right—I do like Reed a lot. I called my mom today and told her about my decision to transfer and she was surprisingly okay with it. She’s only concerned with my happiness, she said. (<em>tear</em>)</p>

<p>I told her that I’d even consider going as far as Portland, Oregon (Reed) and she, after a phase of initial shock, even approved of that. You see, after reading the posts here for a little while, I re-read all about Reed and now I think it’d be a really good place for me to attend. As I told my mother, the really intense academic experience would probably be very good for me in the long run. Also, I kind of want to be closer to culture instead of being in some lame industrial town in the middle of southern Wisconsin. </p>

<p>Anywho! Concerning the financial matters, as stated above, our family’s EFC is very low and thus, we kind of depend on these need-based schools to meet 100% of our need or I’m not able to attend. This kind of worries me since I hear aid is scarce for transfers as it is. What should I expect? Also, can anyone tell me a bit more about Reed? (Especially if you’ve visited?)</p>

<p>During the first year after you transfer....Reed meets 90+ percent of need, after that 100%.</p>

<p>If you need to, there are tons of part-time jobs in Portland. It is definately worth the scarifice during your first transfer year, as I've had freinds that needed lots of aid go through it. BTW...minimum wage in Portland is between $7.50-8.00.</p>

<p>You'll be able to compare offers of aid, so try not to stress out too much. You have great schools on your list.</p>

<p>Wow, your situation is nearly identical to mine...right down to being from the same state. I'm currently debating what I should do next as well, however, I'm at a CC (had a pretty decent offer from Wabash, but couldn't take it due to financial problems at home). I'm so confused by everything now, and I don't really have time to sit down and evaluate, as well as reevaluate, my situation. That will change soon, but meh...oh well.</p>

<p>Mind PMing your AIM or something? I'd really like the opportunity to chat via internet. My screen name is Nisi Bonum, but I'm not really on much during the day due to work and school. I can't really offer any suggestions, because I'm just as confused as you are (well you might not be confused now, just curious). Hope to hear from you soon, and if not...good luck man.</p>

<p>-D</p>

<p>(By the way, I'm from Pascagoula)</p>