What do you parents think?

<p>(cross-posted in College Search and Selection, but I wanted the opinions of parents as well, especially since I haven't gotten any responses as of yet. I really need help figuring out this whole reach/match/safety thing!)</p>

<p>I'm making my list for Fall '09 transfer admissions, and I'd like some input, now that I'm farther along in the process, having done a bit of research online.</p>

<p>Ok, basic stats:</p>

<p>White female from SC
Low income ($25-30K/year, including my own personal income)
College: small, virtually unheard of LAC in SC
Major: History
GPA: 3.89 (may fluctuate slightly after this semester's grades go in, but I don't see it being that different)
EC's: good, focus on politics and international issues, but feel like they might be a little scattery? And they're all on-campus activities. I dunno. (Visit my chances thread to read them in detail - <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/611827-honest-chance-transfer-student.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/611827-honest-chance-transfer-student.html&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/p>

<p>High School Stats are pretty good: 740 M 670 V 660 W SAT, 3.9ish UW/4.95 W GPA, ranked 2nd/275ish, and a few EC's that I was really dedicated to. Again, refer back to chances thread for more info.</p>

<p>Recs will be pretty good, don't know if they'll be exceptional though. I don't know how the essays will go; I'm writing them over Christmas break. I feel like they'll be somewhere in the range of pretty good and excellent.</p>

<p>Here's where I'm looking at so far...</p>

<p>Smith College (dream school...)
Mount Holyoke College
Wellesley College
Bryn Mawr College
Hampshire College
Haverford College
Sarah Lawrence College
Agnes Scott College (I really don't want to go here, so I might not even apply, but it is free and I think I'll probably get in...)</p>

<p>My problem is I really don't know which of these are reaches, matches, safeties, etc. Which section do I need more of? Feel free to suggest removing or adding a school. Thanks!</p>

<p>Oh, and I was doing some research, and Agnes Scott seems more selective than a lot of the others, as they only accepted 35 out of 149 applicants, 23.5%, according to collegeboard (compared to 130/310 and 42% for Smith and 102/238 and 43% for Mt. Holyoke, which I thought would be more selective). So would it even be a safety then? Maybe it just attracts more lower caliber applicants? I don't know, transfer admissions is soooooo confusing. Help.</p>

<p>I can't tell you anything about your chances, but a highish acceptance rate is not always an indication of selectivity. There are certain types of schools (tech schools and women's colleges especially) that tend to have rather self-selecting applicants. </p>

<p>In a general way if your scores and GPA are in the middle 50% of the acceptance pool (which you can look up in common data sets or through an internet search), and the school isn't wildly selective so that it's a reach even for top students, you are a match. I don't know how things change for transfer applicants.</p>

<p>Make sure that you check their financial aid for transfer students. No reason to waste your time applying if you're not likely to get the $ you need.</p>

<p>Make sure you have at least one financial safety -- a school you know you'll be admitted to, can afford, and would enjoy attending. Also factor in the cost of travel, which really adds up particularly when going far from home. Even the most generous financial aid offices don't provide financial aid to cover the travel home that most students would want to take. Most colleges only provide in their financial aid packages money to go home in Dec. and at the end of the school year.</p>

<p>I don't estimate chances, but virtually all of your schools except probably Hampshire and Agnes Scott look like reaches to me.</p>

<p>Your being prez of your college Democrats even though you're just a soph is an impressive EC. It must take guts to be a visible Democrat in a red state.</p>

<p>"My problem is I really don't know which of these are reaches, matches, safeties, etc."</p>

<p>OP - I think it's fair to say that you'll be accepted by many (even most!) of the schools you list. Umm, how did you arrive at this list? Wellesley and Sarah Lawrence? Haverford and Hampshire? These are wildly different pairs. Also, Northstarmom is correct -- finances are going to be a HUGE issue for you. One other issue you may not have considered is what course credits these schools are likely to accept from your current school.</p>

<p>What I'd suggest is contacting the transfer college you like best and begin a dialogue with them. Good luck!</p>

<p>I really haven't done that much research on the co-ed schools, to be honest. I'll probably end up switching a couple. I mostly was going off of academics, size, location, and a few other general things. I was really just trying to get a feel for how schools of that quality would feel about me. I'm really interested in Smith and Mt. Holyoke, a little less in Bryn Mawr, a little less than that about Wellesley, and I still have to research the co-ed ones a good bit. Do you have any suggestions for schools that have more of a Smith/Mt. Holyoke sort of feel?</p>

<p>I have not looked at a lot of information about transferring credit, so that is one thing I will do. I believe many of the classes I have taken would have similar counterparts at lots of colleges, so I have that going for me, but I am worried about some of my upper-level electives. Gosh, this whole thing is harder than applying for freshman admissions.</p>

<p>I am quite concerned about finances. I know that going far away is probably going to limit me to coming home only at Christmas and the summer, and I'm ok with that. What worries me is that most of the schools I've looked at require the FAFSA and the CSS Profile, with the non-custodial parent form. The problem is this: My parents are divorced and I believe my dad makes a really decent salary. I have no idea how much, as I do not speak with him at all, and I haven't seen him in 5 or 6 years. What I do know is that there is absolutely no way he would contribute even a penny to my college education. I really don't know how to get in contact with him to even ask him how much he makes. I have a really old e-mail address, and I guess I could try that, or maybe trying to reach him through his company, if he even still works there, but I really have no desire to ever speak to him again. So I guess I do need to contact these schools and ask them how financial aid would work in this situation before applying. I'm worried the answer won't be good. :(</p>

<p>" I know that going far away is probably going to limit me to coming home only at Christmas and the summer, and I'm ok with that."</p>

<p>Since most people go to college close to home, I am making the assumption that you are from SC or nearby.</p>

<p>Most students do go home for more than Christmas and year's end, and it can be very difficult to stay on campus by yourself when your friends are going home and elsewhere for three-day weekends, spring break, and Thanksgiving.</p>

<p>If transferring would mean that you'd be moving to a new region of the country, you also will have to cope with culture shock, something that typically makes students long for the comforts of home more than at Christmas.</p>

<p>If you also would be changing climates, moving from the South to the North, be aware that you would have to get new clothes like a heavy winter coat, boots, and other items that would add up. In addition, you'd need to adapt to the climate change. There's a big difference between the sunny, relatively warm skies of the South and the never ending winter grayness, bone chilling cold, and short winter days that one experiences in the North.</p>

<p>Consequently, I suggest that you also consider some schools that are relatively close-- within a few hours drive -- of your hometown.</p>

<p>I am looking at a few schools nearby, but honestly, I really don't like any of them. They're all too similar from what I'm trying to get away from. I'm from Columbia, and all the colleges in South Carolina fall into three categories: party school, commuter school, and large university, none of which appeals to me. I put Agnes Scott on the list because it's about 3 hours away, but I don't really love what I've read about it thus far. I will visit though, just to see if that changes my mind, and I will do the same with U South Carolina, Clemson, and maybe even Columbia College. But in reality, I'm pretty pessimistic about nearby options being a fit for me. I really like schools like Smith and Mt. Holyoke, and unfortunately, there are no true counterparts in the South. I am willing to sacrifice, working long hours this summer to buy winter gear and pay for plane tickets, being in the cold, staying at school even when everyone else goes home for Thanksgiving, etc., and taking out some loans because I'm so unhappy at my current school. You talk about missing home, but I have very few ties to South Carolina, only a couple of friends here, and only my immediate family (and I only see them on major breaks now anyways, not much more than I would elsewhere). I've considered a lot of these things, and I know it will be hard, but it seems worth it to me.</p>

<p>Have you also looked in North Carolina, which has a wide variety of excellent colleges. It's one of the best states in the country for finding a good college education.</p>

<p>What don't you like about your current college?</p>

<p>What about Judson in Alabama? Small, single-sex, lots of tradition... It may be a bit religious for you but perhaps it's worth a look?</p>

<p>your_fire - Based on your most recent post I'd suggest contacting the Admissions and FA people at Smith. I think they would give you good advice ... advice that would enable you to move forward. As you're already aware, your situation is complicated.</p>

<p>As for closer schools that are like Smith and Mt. Holyoke, there are a couple in Virginia worth mentioning --- Randolph Macon (Women's) and Mary Washington. You might like James Madison also. As a state school there is no Profile to worry about at JMU. (I think Mary Washington is a state school also.) Good luck.</p>

<p>Actually, Randolph Macon's Women's College is now just Randolph college and is co-ed.</p>

<p>How about Scripps, in California? A girls school sharing a campus with the Pomona/Claremont/Pitzer/Harvey Mudd consortium. ... Judging from your income, you might research schools that are generous with their merit and/or need-based aid. College of Wooster and Dennison in Ohio are both excellent, $$ generous LACs. You might also look at Berea College in Kentucky--an incredibly good school with zero tuition for low-income students. Berea's produced Nobel Prize winners, noted authors, actors, political leaders, doctors, a former Secretary of Commerce, journalists, historians, and the daughter of Archbishop Desmond Tutu. Good luck! Berea</a> College - About Berea College</p>

<p>Make sure that the places you're planning to transfer to give financial aid to transfer students. </p>

<p>If loans would be required, think long and hard about whether it would be worth it to take out loans for undergrad when those loans may restrict your graduate school options.</p>

<p>I know people of limited means and even moderate means who grit their teeth and accepted far less than optimal undergrad experiences so as to be able to have more options for what they pursued and where they went after college.</p>

<p>It's very hard to get merit aid as a transfer. Most schools don't give merit aid to transfers.</p>

<p>What do you perceive as being the difference between the feel of Smith and Holyoke, vs Wellesley and Bryn Mawr?</p>

<p>BTW, I have no idea what the situation is for transfers, but your HS stats would appear to have given you an excellent chance of getting in to the schools on your list if you had applied last year.</p>

<p>Thanks for all the school suggestions! It looks like I'll be doing lots of research over the next couple of weeks.</p>

<p>Northstarmom - <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-life/604381-what-should-i-do.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-life/604381-what-should-i-do.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>A more clearcut list:</p>

<p>What I like about my school:
1) I really like my professors--they are interesting and helpful (most even give out their personal cell phone numbers to their students and tell them to call anytime).
2) I like the small class sizes that allow for lots of discussion.
3) I like the opportunities I've had to get involved and lead. I enjoy being an influential member of my campus community.
4) My fairly substantial merit scholarship (which I understand that I would lose going elsewhere. I'm aware of the implications, and it seems worth it to me, after a great deal of thought).</p>

<p>What I dislike:
1) The Greek life. It dominates the campus. There is a clear divide between Greek and non-Greek students. If you are Greek, you do not talk to people who are not. Actually, you don't talk to people outside your fraternity/sorority, unless they're the opposite gender, and then only if they're in a fraternity/sorority as well. On the weekends (Thursday-Sunday definitely, and it's not unusual on other days. And not just at night either--all day Saturday on football days), the only thing everyone ever does is go out to the Fraternity Court and get completely wasted, then hook up with some random person. For some odd reason, this just doesn't appeal to me.
2) I have not made any close friends. This is not for lack of trying, as you will see if you read my other post. I tried making friends with people on my hall and joining organizations. Unfortunately, literally everyone on my hall last year went Greek. This year I live in a small dorm (30ish students) and almost all of them are the evangelical Christian type. Not that I have anything against that; I would really like to get to know them and more about their own personal beliefs, their reasoning, etc., but it's just that they tend to just inform me that I am probably going to hell, very discretely/kindly though, I'll give them that. I have made a few acquaintances through my involvement in my EC's, but, as I mentioned in my other post, it has been extremely difficult to get to know them better, as they are all juniors and live on the other side of campus. (No, I cannot move into one of their dorms. I am in a contract to stay in my current dorm all year.) Plus all of them will live in senior housing next year, and I cannot. Hence my roommate situation and my extreme loneliness. I don't think that this is my fault, although I've wondered about it sometimes when I felt bad about it. I've done everything I can do, and I think I am a very nice person when people get to know me. It's just that my views tend to turn people off, and it's not like I can hide it when they ask me where I go to church or what clubs I'm involved in. I don't want to hide it either; that's who I am and people should like me for that. (Sorry for the rant)
3) I feel like the classes here, while interesting, are very easy. I barely study at all; sometimes I look over things for about an hour the night before a test, sometimes I don't study at all. I would like more of a challenge. Also, few people here care about learning. Sure, they care about grades, not losing scholarships, not making their parents mad, not flunking out, etc., but I would love a place where I could discuss the material I'm learning about with other students, or discuss world issues and dream up solutions together. Unfortunately, everyone here is very apathetic, or extremely narrow-minded.
4) The town my school is in is awful. Very rundown: Most shops are closed and boarded up; all that's left are a few fast food places, an antique shop (which is actually cute but fairly expensive), the college bookstore, and a few gas stations. I could be happy in a rural area if I had stuff to do on campus or people to hang out with, but I don't, so I mind.<br>
5) There is no sense of community here. I feel like the dividing factor of Greek life is mostly to blame. But a lot of people here don't care about other people, just themselves. My personal motto is a quote from Plato: "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." Other people here don't care about each other's problems and challenges. When someone confides in someone else, they just go and spread it all over campus and then people get mad at each other. It's like middle school, part 2. There are very few organizations on campus that bring students together, and they are almost all chronically underfunded (though we have money to build a new Biology building and a pharmacy school, apparently). Few students are involved in even one organization, and many are very apathetic and don't want to participate in activities.<br>
6) The political attitudes of students on campus. I'm all for having your own opinion, but you should always listen to others too and consider what they have to say. A lot of students refuse to hear out anyone who says a word that differs from their view. For instance, in a discussion about president-elect Obama and his tax plan (in class, of course--no one would think about such things outside of class), you might typically hear, "I don't see the point in working anymore if the government is going to just give everyone money," and the like. Someone disagrees? Too bad, because no one will listen to them, even if they are very moderate in their statements. The professor will do his/her best to let everyone have their turn and have a fair chance to speak, but students are still very rude and cut others off with mean comments.</p>

<p>Before deciding whether to transfer, talk with the financial aid officers at colleges that you're considering so you can find out the possibilities of your getting aid, and what that aid is likely to be. For the colleges to not consider your dad's income, there probably will be some red tape involved -- if indeed the colleges will agree not to include his income in their calculations.</p>

<p>Given the fact that you're low income and have a sweet financial deal now while the economy is tanking, it's imperative that you find out your financial options before transferring or even bothering to submit your transfer apps. No reason to do the apps if you're not likely to get the money you need to be able to transfer and have a reasonable amount of good options after graduating.</p>

<p>Judging from what you've written, you'd be a gift to any good school. Indeed, do your research--and keep us posted. My younger daughter, a sophomore at Carleton, chose that school specifically (in part) because it had no Greek system whatsoever. </p>

<p>I'm serious about Berea. You may not have heard of it, but it's a wonderful place--and free tuition. My next door neighbor and her husband both graduated from Berea. She retired recently as head of the honors program at the University of Kentucky; he was a leader in KY forensics. Their daughter (who attended Wash U.) was a Rhode's Scholar, and is currently a Harvard fellow. There are plenty of brains at Berea. :)</p>

<p>Based on the fact that you can't transfer unless you get significant financial aid, I'd say your first order of business would be to contact the financial aid office at each school that interests you and find out what kind of aid (merit or other) would be available to you. Most of the women's colleges on your list are small enough that you should be able to deal directly with financial aid people. Your list is fairly consistent--small LACs with strong academics, women's colleges--the only one that doesn't really fit is Hampshire College (which is really quite different from the others on your list). Good luck with your search. I hope you find something that works for you both academically and socially.</p>