Boarding School + Good Grades=Elite College?

<p>Hello,</p>

<p>One of the main reasons that I want to go to a BS my junior and senior year is to get into a better college. I am considering Blair, Peddie, and Lawrenceville. I was wondering that if I get top notch grades (4.0 gpa and over weighted) does that actually help me get into an elite college. I want to go to either Johns Hopkins, UPenn, Georgetown, or Brown, so I know this is a hard task. I have heard this is true and that this is a myth. Here is what I have heard....
I'm just going to tell you now that colleges weigh a higher GPA over the reputation of the high school that you attended. If you are positive that you will do well at bs, even though the curriculum will probably be more challenging, by all means, go for it. But if it's going to bring down your GPA, I would advise against it. It's better to stay at your school right now and just get 4.0's"</p>

<p>ALSO, </p>

<p>"Do not go to any of these schools if you think they will help get you into a top college. JHU should be OK, it's not much in demand from those schools. But the ivy league schools and top LACs are very much in demand and top boarding schools will HURT your chances at those. Simply, the competition is brutal. Each college will only take so many from one high school and at the top boarding schools your competition will be legacies, the kids of the very wealty and connected, recruited athletes and the Country's top minorities--and they all want in at the same few colleges. The unconnected will stand a much better chance applying from their local public school."</p>

<p>How accurate are those statements? To me, I look at the mailtriction data and am amazed. Thanks.
Thanks,</p>

<p>Well, to your last statement, from what I've read, there is no top number from each school the a college will take. It just depends on how well prepared you are for the school.</p>

<p>Thanks. I am also looking at Hill if that helps. Those satements seemed reasonable so thats why I am wondering. Any other feedback?</p>

<p>First, you have to make a personal assessment: how well have you done so far in your public school and how well do you think you will do junior year? Are you currently taking the hardest classes offered (honors/AP/per-AP/IB)? What do you predict your UNWEIGHTED gpa will be? Any idea of test scores? Activities and leadership? Awards?</p>

<p>If your gpa is 3.8+ unweighted now and you predict it will remain that high, you are (or will be) taking a tough course load with lots of honors/AP classes and you are involved in solid activities and either currently in leadership positions or will be in leadership positions in junior year, I don't see that attending a boarding school will help you with admittance to JHU, Brown and/or Georgetown.</p>

<p>Colleges look at each application based on how well the applicant took advantage of the opportunities available -- that is why they aren't all that impressed when rich kids go on volunteering trips to Thailand. They are impressed with kids who work part-time to help support the family, attend a crappy public school and still get great test scores, high gpas taking really tough courses, hold leadership positions and involve themselves in their community.</p>

<p>Let me clear up a few misconceptions -- musicallylatin is correct, schools generally don't have a specific limit to the number of students they will take from a certain school. However, they are going to look at the applicants and compare them to other applicants from their own school (and the regional pool in general). They aren't looking for the "top 3" kids from public school USA or the "top 10" kids from East Coast Boarding School. They will look at each applicant and decide how well they fit into the class they are creating at their school. </p>

<p>You need to understand the matriculation data you are getting from the boarding schools compared to the matriculation data you are getting from your public school. Boarding schools admit students after a rigorous application process -- they don't take every kid who walks through the door. So from the very start, every kid in the top boarding schools probably compares to the top 10 - 15% of your public school. Out of those top kids, there will be a number of recruited athletes, legacies (and double and triple legacies), some really outstanding minority students and some kids that are developmental cases (kids whose parents have big money that will help boost a colleges endowment -- think millions of possible donations).</p>

<p>So -- considering that every student at the BS is pretty solid academically when they started and that a good chunk of those will have some hooks -- , I would be shocked if the matriculation data wasn't as good as it is. If you could get the data on how many unhooked kids were admitted from the BS, you might find that it didn't do any better in admission than your public school did.</p>

<p>Entering Junior year may hurt you in your bid to enter the colleges you list -- leadership positions at your BS will be difficult to get. Some require an election -- so being an unknown will hurt. Some will require a certain class or past activity, some leadership positions will have been selected the previous year. Top schools look for students to demonstrate leadership -- so having none Junior year (compared to having some at your public school) may really hurt you.</p>

<p>Activities and top classes may be hard to get into at your BS -- depending on the graduation requirements and the requirements to participate in certain activities/classes, you may find that you are taking Health 101 or Intro to World Literature instead of AP European History. Some activities may be very popular (like Model UN or Debate) and may have a waiting list, with you at the bottom.</p>

<p>Then lets think about grades -- which are very important on a college application. You apply to colleges in fall, and if you apply ED the school doesn't even see your first semester senior year grades -- so the only grades they will see is your junior year grades at BS. Junior year is considered to be the most difficult year, and the most important one. You may not do as well as you think when you change schools -- you will be adjusting to living away from home, making new friends, having a roommate, new time constraints and rules, new teachers, new school, etc. I am sure if you are a good student, you will do ok -- but that first semester may have a few B's or even a C -- compared to a 4.0 at your public school, that may really hurt.</p>

<p>Finally -- if you enter boarding school with a 3.9 or 4.0, don't expect them to calculate that gpa into your junior grades. While the BS will take your current credits, most will not calculate the gpa with grades from another school. So -- your class rank (if the school ranks) and your gpa will be based solely on that junior year. </p>

<p>There are a number of excellent reasons to attend boarding school -- both my sons attend -- however, increasing your chances of acceptance into a top school is not one of them. </p>

<p>From what you have posted about your public school, I think your chances would be much better if you invested your time and energy into your current school -- make sure the courses your take are the hardest available and you get top grades. Prepare for the SAT and/or ACT. involve yourself in both your school and your community and look for leadership positions. </p>

<p>In order to distinguish yourself from all the other kids applying to JHU, Georgetown and/Brown, try and do something different. Look into a semester boarding school program like The Rocky Mountain Semester at the High Mountain Institute, consider a study abroad program, look at a summer internship -- or think about what you do that is your passion or that distinguishes you. That will give you the boost you are looking for.</p>

<p>I can't help but cringe when I read that a young person wants to go to BS for matric reasons. I hate to see these schools looked at as stepping stones to a desired college. They are so much more. Furthermore, I would imagine that if an adcom even thought that that was your primary motivation, he would auto-deny in a heartbeat....but I could be wrong.</p>

<p>neato burrito, that is surely not the main reason. My mistake for displaying it as such. I need a change, I have friends but not many true friends. I have high expectations for myself and I fear that they may be out of my reach. My high schools lax team is insane, and I will not make it my jr and senior. I would have a good shot at Hill School and Blair. I want to expand my horizons and have a fresh start, and BS provides that.</p>

<p>HSmomstef, your time invested in that post is clearly evident. I appreciate it. I will most likely get a 3.7 or 3.8 this year, as I am taking rigourus classes. (honors spanish 3, honors politics, honors history, honors english) and am taking few electives as I am taking (geometry, chem, bio). My school follows block scheduling, so I have four 90 mins blocks in a school day. I plan on applying ED to JHU, so you raise a very valid point. But, if not addmited to JHU, would goint to JHU help my shot at my other selections? I really want a change. Am I wrong to look to BS? Does going to a BS really kill or boost my chances for attending an elite university?</p>

<p>At Blair, Hill, Peddie et al you won't have any problem entering as a junior and getting good courses and activities. (my kid founded a club at the beginning of his junior year.....) These schools have good records with college matriculation, but the college counseling is aimed at finding the right fit for each student- and that might not be an Ivy. The benefit of these schools will be to prepare you for the rigors of college, to teach you how to think critically and improve your writing skills. You will form close relationships with outstanding faculty members and coaches and will branch out into new academic and social areas. All of this will point you in the direction of success- whether it be an Ivy or not. Go for it.</p>

<p>I am all for it, however my parents on the other hand....
The other thing holding me back is that I am going to apply Early Decision to JHU. They dont even look at senior year grades. If I have a hard time adjusting (which i doubt) I would never forgive myself hah. I am shooting for JHU and UPenn so even if I dont get into those two particular instutions I will still have top notch grades. The only other thing is affording it. I am not wealthy and a high roller so 40k is a huge amount of money. Yet, my parents are successful so I doubt I would recieve financial aid. How much is a normal merit scholorship(Peddie)?</p>

<p>There is information about Peddie's 2 merit scholarships right on the Peddie website Peddie</a> School ~ Financial Aid</p>

<p>My suggestion is that you do a search of schools with merit scholarships on boardingschoolreview and then go to the websites of those schools to find out more about their merit scholarships. I suspect that merit scholarships are given to students who offer qualities that are not in their typical applicant pool, or are students they want badly who might matriculate at another school.</p>

<p>Thanks. There is a local private/boarding school, Solebury School, and I am wondering if the posts above still apply. Like, If I still maintain a 3.8+ gpa, volunteer and what not, does that help or hurt my chances. I would be a day student, so I could typically live like I did prior to a change of school. Thanks</p>

<p>Hopkins, Georgetown,Upenn and Brown more available to you than HYPSD regardless of the boarding choice. They are second choice schools for the top 5-10% students at AESD/choate/lawrenceville/Hotchkiss. Just do well anywhere and have real ECs and the secondary school is a non factor. Hope this helps</p>

<p>It indeed does. One thing though, what does HYSPD mean?</p>

<p>Harvard, Yale , Princeton,Stanford, Dartmouth. Maybe even Duke this year.</p>

<p>Someone once told me that if you are within the top 20% of your class, you can probably get into an ivy league. Supposedly, the way the colleges see it is if you have all these resources available to you, you should make good use of them and thus be in the top 20% of your class.</p>

<p>Top 10% is more accurate . However, I am talking about Andover , Exeter, St. Pauls, and Deerfield. Each year about 200 kids apply from A & E to Harvard, maybe 20% of those get in. However, athletes+ legacy account for about 20% of the 50 admits. To confuse that a little those kids are not always in the top 10% of their class.
Also, without the required ECs you would not get accepted being in the top 2%.Hope this helps.</p>

<p>Here's a wild thought. Before you spend $80,000 on two years at a boarding school, in an attempt to marginally improve your record, call the admissions offices at JHU, and Georgetown, etc., and ask if this gamble would pay off.</p>

<p>I'm betting it wouldn't. The admissions statistics to elite colleges from schools primarily filled by the children of the wealthy and prominent are gravely misleading. Read <a href="http://www.senate.gov/%7Efinance/hearings/testimony/2005test/120506dgtest.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.senate.gov/~finance/hearings/testimony/2005test/120506dgtest.pdf&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p>

<p>Stay at your current school, and move into leadership roles. Put a great deal of effort into qualifying for the premier academic summer camps, many of them free, in the summer after your junior year in high school. Elite colleges do look at class rank, and at test scores and recommendations.</p>

<p>mburgos -- you have said that you are interested in attending a boarding school for the challenges and opportunities, and yet the majority of your posts deal with whether your chances to matriculate into JHU, Brown or Georgetown will be improved.</p>

<p>Think long and hard about whether attending a boarding school is what you want to do -- $80,000 is alot of money and if your parents spend it on boarding school, they may not be as willing to spend it on college. If you don't qualify for FA at boarding school, you probably won't qualify for college either -- and those schools cost in the neighborhood of $50,000+/yr. Brown and Georgetown do not give merit scholarships, at JHU, less than 3% of each freshman class is awarded any type of merit aid.</p>

<p>I think you need to have a solid conversation with your parents regarding finances (which may be one of the issues with attending boarding school). It is better to know up front if money will be an issue -- no sense dreaming of attending Georgetown if you parents have no ability or desire to pay for it.</p>

<p>Once you have that covered, then consider if you really need to attend boarding school -- from what you have posted, your public school sounds solid; providing both academic rigor and opportunities for success. I honestly think that you will do better staying at your current school and focusing on increasing you involvement.</p>

<p>The kids in the top quintile of the top schools who also have high SATs all seemed to do well in terms of getting into the most selective schools. However, if you are talking about HPY, the kids I know had something truly outstanding or what the college really wanted in addition or instead of the top stats. </p>

<p>It seems to me that the chances are better in getting into the more selective schools from top prep schools all things equal. I think part of it is because the schools are very well known by those colleges. The same holds for some of the top public schools. The best students there do very well in getting into selective colleges. </p>

<p>THough I think it can happen that too many kids from a school apply to a college, I have seen some very large numbers get accepted to ivies and other highly selective colleges from a given school. I know Harvard out and out said that they do not have such quotas and one year accepted 10% of the graduating class. There have been years, however, that only one or two kids were accepted.</p>

<p>Ok thanks everyone. Here is the deal hsmomstef, I want to go to BS or private school for all of the new oppurtunities and experiences. How ever, if it turns out that BS would boost my chances, I think that would be a major selling point with the parents. In addition, if it was false, I would try to stick it out at public school, as my main concern is getting into JHU. </p>

<p>Periwinkle, I did infact email the admissions office at JHU about this. I havent checked my email yet though. </p>

<p>Cptofthehouse, that is very vauable info.</p>

<p>Also some food for thought, top institutions such as Exeter and Andover are highly selective. No one there is dumb. </p>

<p>In addition, I also may apply to a local private school, the Solebury School. It is also a BS. I would be a day student. Not only does it offer a change, is more affordible (merit), but I could rank higher in the class. Not to mention the fact that it is 20 mins away, I could still be with family. Thanks, any other contributions are greatly appreciated.</p>

<p>mburgos13 -- "as my main concern is getting into JHU". This is what indicated to me that college placement is your primary concern; more important to you than increased academic challenge/opportunities. There is nothing wrong with being honest about your goals -- if admission to JHU is of primary importance, make your decisions based on that. I don't personally recommend getting fixated on a particular school -- but I am not your counselor or your mother.</p>

<p>Take a good look at Solebury's college matriculation list -- they haven't sent a single student to Brown, JHU or Georgetown in 5 years. Solebury</a> School: Academics » College Counseling » College Acceptance List Compared to the matriculation results you posted for your current public school, Solebury would not be a good choice.</p>

<p>Before you go any further -- have the financial talk with your parents. </p>

<p>I really think you ought to consider some options other than just the typical boarding school experience -- check out these programs:</p>

<p>High</a> Mountain Institute | Rocky Mountain Semester</p>

<p>School</a> Year Abroad: China, France, Italy, Spain</p>

<p>UWC</a> - UWC Homepage United</a> World College-USA</p>

<p>Congress-Bundestag</a> Youth Exchange Program</p>

<p>These are just a few of the possiblities that are available during the school year -- there are many, many other possiblities available during the summer. These types of programs can add challenge and opportunity while you continue to attend your current school. Each of these programs will boost your chances of admission to Georgetown/JHU/Brown is you do well in them -- and they are fairly unusual, so they set you apart.</p>