boeing or lockheed

Career Opportunities & Internships
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<p>got both offers need to decide quick.</p>

<p>boeing is paying more, but money is not that big of an issue.</p>

<p>boeing has a great internship program, one of the best by princeton review...</p>

<p>whereas if I work for lockheed, their intern program for this location only has 2 people so not a big intern program</p>

<p>if i take lockheed, i'll be able to get a SECRET security clearance, which may lead to job security later on?? </p>

<p>boeing is in the commercial department , not military</p>

<p>lockheed is in one of the most prestigious departments, but i would rather not say which one. </p>

<p>lets say both locations are about equal </p>

<p>i am a bit more interested in defense, but both are interesting to me.</p>

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<p>boeing.... you don't want to support the military industrial complex</p>

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<p>whats military industrial complex? plz xplain</p>

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<p>lockheed is better for your future, esp. in defense</p>

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<p>Military Industrial Complex is a coined term from Eisenhower.</p>

<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_industrial_complex%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_industrial_complex&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Some video lectures on it: <a href="http://www.comm387.com/exam1.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.comm387.com/exam1.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>It is something to consider if you are going to make your lifelong career of it--and you might go crazy later on like those who dropped the atomic bombs or those involved in the Manhatten Project.</p>

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<p>is that the main reason to avoid the military complex, so that u dont go crazy?</p>

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<p>Also remember that the US is a prime seller of Arms, with a number around $138 billion dollar in sales. These weapons fuel civil wars, global terrorism. The Stinger missles we gave to African countries and Afghanistan, we still are trying to recover them. The CIA is paying some $60,000 for each missle. The money the US pays, gives warlords even more money for civil war.</p>

<p>Of every US dollar, half is spent on defense and the military. Bush's Leave No Child Behind plan is already faltering, as we are seening cutbacks on education. Since the federal government is sending so much of your money to Iraq to fight Bush's illegal war, schools only have state funding, thus giving disadvantaged minorities, even less of a chance to compete with their wealthier counterparts... who can afford $300 essay editing, $60K college prep plans, et al. </p>

<p>Defense contractors lobby Washington, they present their wares and put hype into this aircraft and that... you're developing tools for war--you are killing the enemy but also children and civilians--more efficiently than ever. Instead of US spending more money on domestic problems such as Katrina relief, education, Social Security, and financial aid (note how many grants were lost between this year and last)--they are giving more and more money to contractors to build million dollar planes. </p>

<p>You're going to make a lot of money, no doubt; especially, when we are going to invade Iran next (Condi Rice already has her sights on that country).</p>

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<p>i interned at boeing (southern california) so i'm kinda biased...</p>

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boeing has a great internship program, one of the best by princeton review

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<p>very supportive internship program, good networking and development opportunities, good chance to meet other interns in the area and there's fun activities, also a feeder into full-time jobs. more specifically: development day (hear top executives talk about networking, climbing the corporate ladder, managing your manager, etc.), mentor program, intern networking program, internal job fair (get a job before internship is even over), various tours, other lunchtime talks, MBA fairs and talks. it's not one of those "i'm going to try to get the most of it" internships where you just learn from working. from my internship experience at boeing, it seems like they want to help you succeed in the corporate world. </p>

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if i take lockheed, i'll be able to get a SECRET security clearance, which may lead to job security later on??

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<p>there are interns who get secret security clearance while working at boeing too. depends on which program you're working on though. </p>

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boeing is in the commercial department , not military

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<p>boeing's integrated defense systems (IDS) in st. louis and socal are military. if that's what you're interested in, then having worked at boeing, it should be easier to transfer to these departments. </p>

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boeing.... you don't want to support the military industrial complex

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<p>haha. lockheed has more military industrial complex going on than boeing, but it exists in boeing too. there's also a bunch of air force guys walking around all the time meeting with executives.</p>

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<p>thatbigbadwolfy,</p>

<p>Lay off the Chomsky, kid. :p</p>

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It is something to consider if you are going to make your lifelong career of it--and you might go crazy later on like those who dropped the atomic bombs or those involved in the Manhatten Project.

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<p>Except that that was largely an urban legend.</p>

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<p>what% of boeing interns get full time kfc?</p>

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<p>All things being equal, I'd go with the stronger intern program. You can always get a security clearance later if you need it.</p>

<p>thatbigbadwolfy, as kfc4u pointed out, Boeing is sort big in that "military industrial complex" thing, too. Who do you think built the bomber that dropped what the Manhattan Project developed? That wasn't a fluke, that is, a case of the whole country being mobilized for war, since they also built it's main predessessor, the B-17 several years before the war. They build lots of weapons systems, thank you very much.</p>

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<p>kfc, is boeing full time as good as interns? </p>

<p>my intern offer is quite impressive, but from what i hear boeing pays itsfull time employees quite mediocre.</p>

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<p>kfc.. how much did htey pay u /</p>

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what% of boeing interns get full time kfc?

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<p>a high percentage of interns snap up the full time jobs before they're offered to the general public. my estimate is 80%. as for the 12 interns in my group, 10 of them got full-time offers, the other two weren't set to graduate yet, so that's basically 100%. </p>

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kfc, is boeing full time as good as interns?

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<p>probably not. i mean, you're doing regular work just like everyone else. internship programs (programs, not just the internship) everywhere are always more fun than full-time work. the benefit that boeing offers also is full tuition reimbursement if you want to go onto grad school or business school while working full time. </p>

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my intern offer is quite impressive, but from what i hear boeing pays itsfull time employees quite mediocre.

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<p>it's true, based on just salary, boeing is average for aerospace industry (starting salary somewhere slightly above $50k). however, as we've been pointed out by boeing recruiters, the overall package (i.e. all the benefits that we dont think about as college kids, such as retirement funds, etc.) is by far much better than any aerospace firm. if you're looking for a higher salary though, boeing's not the highest. </p>

<p>anyway, if your offer at lockheed is impressive, then go for it. you really can't go wrong with either boeing or lockheed. it's like choosing between the harvard and yale of the aerospace industry.</p>

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<p>do you know what happens if say boeing makes you a full time offer assuming you graduate in may 07, but things dont work out and you need to graduate in dec 07. will they still make you an offer for dec 07?</p>

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<p>you should let them know that it's possible you might graduate in dec 07. for most managers, they treat dec 07 graduates as if they're on the same cycle as the may 07 graduates, so it shouldn't be a problem. i remember a couple interns asked about this during the internal job fair cuz they had the same situation. but for some managers, they'll tell you to apply later (which means you won't get hired in the summer). i'd assume the same goes for most companies including lockheed, but correct me if i'm wrong.</p>

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<p>no question about it..go for the clearance. a clearance is expensive so if you come to a company with one, you save them a bundle of money.</p>

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<p>Getting a security clearance should be at the bottom of the scale when it comes to deciding on a job offer. Certainly not at the top as your are implying with the statement "no question about it"... "go for the clearance." If you are a good candidate, no company is going to not offer you a position because you do not have a clearance. Reinstating a clearance with a new company is not free. Secondly, clearances are not once in a lifetime. They must be renewed periodically. At best, the company will only save a bit of money during the first cycle of your clearance (assuming it is still current when you get hired). </p>

<p>The OP is much better picking a job that suits his interests and will give him the best job opportunities, not one that gives him a clearance. Not to mention that getting a clearance is a very intrusive and time consuming process. You are better off not getting one unless you absolutely need one to perform your job duties. The "cool" factor of having a clearance goes away after 30 seconds. And even if you have one, you shouldn't be advertising it.</p>

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<p>Haha yes there was too much Chompsky in my rhetoric. Didn't know anyone would catch it ;)</p>

<p>Yes, Boeing is in the complex too.</p>

<p>And about the clearance: I agree with sky; I'm not sure what kind of a commodity it is, but Monster.com does ask if you have security clearance.</p>

<p>Go with the best offer in terms of benefit, lateral movement, sign on/relocation bonus, et cetera. Good luck!</p>

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<p>hey kfc ... when do full time jobs usually begin? for college grads</p>