<p>That is most definitely true.
Then again, if women are so complex and men so simple, how is it that relationships between the two sexes occur? Wouldn't the woman be the predator in nearly all cases if she was far more complex than a man?</p>
<p>No. Men go women. I like. Mmmmm...yummy :p</p>
<p>Women try to anaylyze everything to the point where the simple predator-prey relationship doesn't work (animals don't think man I'm eating this reindeer I just killed...women do metaphorically speaking) :D Of course I'm grossly overgeneralizing, but you get the point</p>
<p>So I have failed again at critical analysis.
Curse my "mental block" as my history teacher called it!</p>
<p>Hey everyone!!! Haha... I would disagree about men being simple... but my opinion doesn't count I guess when you consider my bias. LOL, I love men, so I'll defend "us" to the death!!!</p>
<p>-Jon ;)</p>
<p>I love men too Jon, especially gunner :) </p>
<p>:p</p>
<p>Haha... I don't know... Gunner was nice to me once... and then he got all.... manly.... we are a cursed gender aren't we? Can't live with them and CERTAINLY CANNOT live w/o them!!</p>
<p>Manly? haha. hahahahaha. I don't even remember what I said, but you probably took it too seriously.</p>
<p>Nah I'm only joking, Gunner :D
Just for reference, it was something about "close mindedness"
So...whatever happened to our discussion about boys? Ok, well I'll start up the Kinsey scale thing again. What I'm going to do is make a list from 0 - 6. Whoops... I messed that up before... I forgot it's 0-6 not 1-6. Sorry everyone. After each one, I'm going to give some characteristics of the typical guys that fall into those numbers. Then, you all tell me whether you agree or disagree, and then make your own unique list. I'm curious to see how you all view straight, bi, and gay guys. Ok I'll start (Note: on Kinsey's scale a 0 = completely straight and a 6 = completely gay. Also note: it applies to women as well.... but since this is a "boys" thread, I am limiting our focus to just guys):</p>
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<li><p>Many guys fit here. The macho, full-fledged homophobe, truly masculine, no occasional feelings for other guys, no sexual/sensual experiences with guys. The quintessential tough jock fits here, many (but by no means all) wise-guys, the true playboy, many (but not all) conservative men (traditional values), many (but not all) religious men.</p></li>
<li><p>A lot of the guys from my first group fit there. Some differences with 1s include incidental thoughts, dreams, fantasies of a homosexual nature. Many artists (painters, sculptors, and musicians) - people who are open to their creative impulses may be 1s - granted they have ever had even slight gay inclinations. Predominantly macho but acknowledge a sense (however slight) of their feminine side. Often seem to be a little sentimental but are usually quick to deny it.</p></li>
<li><p>2s have had slightly more than incidental homosexual experiences. Their dreams, thoughts, fantasies, have focused more on guys than for the 1s. They have mostly been interested in women though. The occasional bi-curious guy fits here. The guy who will admit that another man is anywhere from "good-looking - handsome - "ok, fine.... he's hot" may fit here. Many different types of guys fit here.... 2s are pretty diverse including many of the 0/1 types of guys and maybe including more types of creative folks. Writers, photographers, and film-makers (and directors) who are very in-tune to their emotions and open to considering guys can be 2s. The metrosexual is usually a 2-borderline-3. Guys here may have had an occasional crush on other guys and may question their orientation.</p></li>
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<p>3s. Mostly bi-sexual men. Guys that seem to have equal attraction to both genders. They have had experiences with both guys and girls and are satisfied with each (each perhaps for different reasons). You'll find guys from all over the spectrum (the macho 0s to the flaming 6s) here... although they will have more or less gay inclinations. You'll be surprised at who fits in this category. Guys who you never thought would have an interest in men will fall here, often being experts at disguising their double lives. Men that cheat on their wives w/ other guys fit here. Keep in mind, people with very little attraction to either gender (or asexual) would fit here too.</p>
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<li><p>These guys are more leaning towards liking other guys. They are truly trying to figure out whether or not they are more than bisexual or less than fully-gay. There is an attraction to the opposite sex, but it is incidental and not strong. Coming back to creative guys, actors can be found here (as well as the other artists discussed before). You'll find a surprising amount of masculine, macho men here. Again, 4s tend to be excellent actors (whether professionally or not), b/c they usually want to hide this orientation. These may be the Abercrombie guys who are really into their style and clothes more so than someone who is merely metrosexual.</p></li>
<li><p>The guy has an idea that he is mostly gay. He knows he likes guys almost exclusively. He'll see a pretty girl occasionally and remark that she is good-looking..... for a girl. But, attraction is almost primarily directed towards other guys. Here guys have tons of guy-crushes and are more sure about their orientation. Many guys here still may question and may be in denial. However, their obvious attraction to guys outweighs any kind of reasoning they may have to try to prove to themselves that they're straight. These guys seem to really be into their appearance and style... they may be the most metrosexual possible without being fully gay.</p></li>
<li><p>Full-fledged gay. These guys like only guys. In fact, the thought of relations with girls is repulsive to them. When they see an attractive woman... it's more like "I wish I had her taste or style" than "Wow she's hot"... but they'll be quick to notice that the man next to her "is a real looker; a hot stud." Many types of guys fit here.... you would think they'd be mostly feminine... and to a degree... they are. The "flamers" and "flamboyant" guys. You'd be surprised but there actually are many masculine guys here who are just exceptional at covering up these desires around others. Many of the types of guys that people associate with homosexuality tend to fall in this category. Many (BUT NOT ALL) of the 6s fall into the "stereotypical" gay guy category. A lot of these guys LOVE clothes and style. In fact, many have careers that are typically thought of as women's jobs (hair dressing, interior home design, etc.).</p></li>
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<p>Alright everyone... the truth is, I'm a high 4-borderline mid-5! I lean more towards being a 5. What do you guys think. What would you change in my scale. What types of guys would you add/remove? Let me know what you think. Also, for the few guys on this thread, let me know what number you think you are. You may use decimals. For me, I would say between 4.8 - 5.6. I guess if my gayness were graded on an AP exam I'd be anywhere from "well qualified - super extremely well qualified." LOL, let me know that you guys are and think! I'm glad we can discuss homosexuality so openly!!</p>
<p>-Jon :)</p>
<p>dude...
you're either gay or not gay there's no in the middle
and by the tone you were writing that in i thought you were a girl</p>
<p>please no digression here. stick to the topic...</p>
<p>boys are not weird, sry if i offend any1 but i'm gonna say it.
High school boys are just dumb. that's all. not all of 'em are. just most. you kno sometimes when u walk down the hallways and find yourself glued to this supposely "hot" guy in front of u? well...99% of the times, he's that stupid guy u made fun of during math class. u kno the one who doesn't kno the answer to "2+2"? maybe it's only me...but apparently that's all it seems like. oh and you don't usually pay attention to the smart ones in ur class and teh truth is, they're the ones that really deserve ur attention.</p>
<p>I pay attention to the smart guys in class. You're obviously just looking at the wrong guys! The smart guys are often also the most interesting and the ones with the best personality. They're also smart enough to understand your emotions and be nice to you (sometimes, anyway). OK, so they aren't perfect, but better than the dumb ones.</p>
<p>that's exactly wat i'm tryin to say chocolateluvr.</p>
<p>Fae, obviously you've never taken a Psychology course. Homosexuality is not such a cut and dry matter as you're making it out to be. There is an "in-between" and the truth is, most people fall in the "in-between" (that is 1-5) part of the spectrum. Very few people actually are 0s or 6s. Kinsey's research is very credible and has been cited by many psychologists. Fae, you're just poorly informed that's all. I forgive you. You obviously you didn't read ANY of the past posts before or you'd know I'm a guy (w/o seeing my name after that post).
Yournamehere, ask many of the girls on this thread... homosexuality is one of the topics we've been discussing in these 18 or so pages of this thread. Go back a few pages and then swallow your friggin' pride. It is very relevant to this thread... it's not a digression by any means!
I agree with you chocolateluvr88. I'm actually what many people would call, "one of the smart guys." I know exactly what you're talking about and I'm into smart guys too.
Ok, so for those of you who don't mind discussing homosexuality, what do you think typifies a guy on each number in the 0-6 spectrum? By no means do you have to post as much as I did. Feel free to be as brief as you like. Thanks to those of you on this thread who are open-minded and have actually read the past posts before and know what we really have been talking about. Take care everyone!!!</p>
<p>-Jon :)</p>
<p>i have to agree with jonny (may i call you jonny?) on this one. by oversimplifying the matter, you're not giving enough weight to this obvious complicated issue. i do not hesistate in calling myself straight, but i can obviously judge if i think a girl is pretty or not. i dont know where exactly i fit on the scale, but saying things like "dude you write like a girl" or whatever is just contributing to unnecesarily perpetuated stereotypes.<br>
now can we get back to the original topic?
boys are weird.<br>
i think we can all agree politely on that one.</p>
<p>dude, all that is is justification for you being gay, not to be rude
don't speak for "most people falling in between". maybe most of your friends "fall in between", but i know that NONE of my friends would ever come out with some crap like falling in between or experiencing sexual feelings for another man</p>
<p>Nope Fae,.. actually almost none of my friends fall in between. It sucks being a loner :(
It's people like you that make life miserable for people like me.
Anyway, yes let's talk about boys whenicomearound. And of course you may call me Jonny :)
Boys are complex. Straight, bi, or gay, or any gradation in between, they're not as simple as ya might think. I hope to find a guy to go out w/ and possibly try to figure out. I'm lacking that warmth and affection that comes from a relationship. I've only gone out with girls.... I've had many girlfriends and relationships like that... but they obviously haven't been fulfilling. I need a guy to love. I need a guy to love me.
Girls, of course (most of you) can relate! What is it about guys that attracts you to them? What do you look for in a guy? What exactly do you find weird about boys?
Guys, what do you think girls look for in guys? What do you do to attract them (if anything)? Do you admit anything about yourselves that girls would find weird?
This should be interesting.....</p>
<p>-Jon :) :D</p>
<p>What I look for in a guy?</p>
<p>The most important thing for me is that the guy is kind. A boy who is nice to YOU but is mean to others is not nice. You have to see how he treats those weaker/smaller/younger/more annoying than he is to know what he's really like.</p>
<p>Intelligent. In high school, intelligence has a high correlation with interesting-ness. <-- :p</p>
<p>I'm a sucker for talent. Amazing athletes, musicians, actors, artists... they all break my heart. I think part of it is skill, but a lot of it's that I'm attracted to people who have a deep passion for something (other than a person haha)</p>
<p>Funny. Enough said.</p>
<p>This is so shallow but looks are important..... sigh. I've tried to get past it, but it's important to me that the guy I'm with be attractive to me. No one else has to think he's hot, or cute, just me. You know? Yeah. Okay. Fess up, everyone. :)</p>
<p>Sorry... I got stuck on the point that all smart guys are ugly. I take offense to that. Like majorly. Get over yourself. A guy is stupid, and he's not exactly to fault, yet you (apparently a genius) drool over him and then complain he's stupid. Sounds like you're the one with the problem.</p>
<p>About the scale, guys think they automatically know where all of their friends fall, but it's just not true. At this age we're all still growing and learning, and to say you know everything about your friends is just a lie. There are plenty of things I would NEVER tell my friends, even my best friend, and to be honest I suspect it's the other way around as well. You have to give people some depth I say. It's not fair to assume that everyone is the one dimensional person when in fact there are multiple levels that even the greatest psychologists would struggle to understand.</p>
<p>Haha... hey there's nothing wrong with wanting the person you like to be attractive to you. I suppose it's one thing to be superficial and rule out any possible relationship only based on looks... but it's another thing to be realistic and have a need for someone who you are physically as well as emotionally attracted to.
I'm the quintessential nice guy. Ha, if I were straight, m<em>c, I'd be the guy for you! LOL, I'm in the top 5% of my class, I'm in AP classes, I'm a seasoned actor (in fact I was just in "My Fair Lady"), I play varsity sports, I'm involved in many school activites. I have a passion for many things. My English teacher actually called me a "renaissance man" in my recommendation letter (she told me). LOL, I enjoy long walks on the beach.... candle lit dinners for two... W/ GUYS!! Haha... I'm not straight... but m</em>c I admire your courage. Come on girls (and guys) fess up. What's on your mind right now? Again, for the girls: what do you look for in a guy? For the guys: What do you think girls look for in YOU? Refer to the end of my previous post for the other questions.
Thanks m_c for going first!!! :)</p>
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<li>Jon :)</li>
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<p>Man that is so me. I'm wicked funny. I act. It's the best thing ever. I play sports and what not. oh and everything else hah. Go me.</p>