<p>@JRZMom, i like 36% as opposed to 10% in fact. it would help me.</p>
<p>My dau likes it too, but at the same time she longs for the good old days of 50%. : – ) </p>
<p>The important thing to remember is the legacy business only matters if you are equal to the other applicants in other ways. You still have to get yourself into the 36%, not be in the 64%.</p>
<p>It is very annoying to me that know-it-alls are telling my dau — and told the older one—that she will breeze into Brown because her parents went there. Those accept rates tell you it is simply not true; legacies have to earn their way in, same as anyone else.</p>
<p>Some will say, but why then the 36% rate (as well as similar numbers for legacies at other schools)? Well, part of it is the way these kids are raised—they have parents for whom reading and learning were high values from their birth — they were read to as babies, there were high expectations for homework and other school achievements, etc etc. Parents who went to these schools are likelier to raise kids who are good candidates for admission than parents who did not attend college, and so on. </p>
<p>Then there is whatever genes have to do with it, who knows; I am not going there but bright parents often give birth to bright kids. It wasn’t coincidence the most of the Bach family grew up to be composers. </p>
<p>Their parents tend to have higher incomes relative to the national average and this leads to better diet, better health care, and other physical things that help a kid grow up able to compete strongly in academics and other things. It also leads to parents buying houses in school districts that can afford to offer a lot of AP courses, etc.</p>
<p>This is true of any college educated parents, not only ones who attended Ivies, but when you look at the population as a whole, it leads to higher accept rates for the kids of college educated parents. So it does help children of alums in general, not only with their applications to the parents’ school. </p>
<p>Good luck to you!</p>
<p>well not every legacy kid is bright. if someone’s parents attended an ivy college or any other college that doesnt guarentee that their child is bright even if they are intelligent people. and every person attending an ivy school isnt ‘supposed’ to be intelligent. but even then you’re right that legacy students do have to fight for their place and its not like they’re offered admission on sight of their leagcy status, but consider this that everyone who has attended brown and has children will make sure that their kid applies to brown, whatever that kid may be like, because its worth taking a chance. in my opinion, that means that if a student has decent credentials and ECs and even if he/she is not crazy intelligent, they’ve got a very good chance.</p>
<p>Ok, qwerty, let’s play math for a second here. You by no means take 1880/2847. <em>Face-Palm</em> That number is meaningless. That’s only the percent that are deferred from the whole. </p>
<p>You take 10% of the 1880. Not 10% of 66%. That’s where I got the 190.</p>
<p>@JRZMom Good luck to your daughter! Yeah, I understand what you are saying. However, I would add that Brown is also looking for people from diverse backgrounds, that have succeeded without the beneficial home environment an alum may have been able to provide for his/her child.</p>
<p>I think it’s quite possible for anyone to achieve the level of success necessary to get into Brown or any other highly selective school—provided they have the intellectual capacity. Malcom Gladwell makes the argument in his book ‘Outliers’ that once you hit a certain intelligence range, differences in achievement are solely based on the level of work and the amount of time you put in. I think his concept is applicable to college admissions; if you challenge yourself in school, put forth your best effort across the board, and involve yourself in the community, you’re already most of the way to what a college admissions officer is looking for. The caveat is they aren’t looking for anything specific beyond that. If you can tell the story of you well, then you’ll do just fine. </p>
<p>We all get on here and obsess about Brown/other schools, sometime sounding like know-it-alls (sorry JRZMom), but in the end it isn’t really going to matter. The fact that we all have the drive to care this much shows that we will be successful no matter where we go. </p>
<p>Good luck everybody.</p>
<p>NOOOOOOOOO… 
to get the number of admitted(through deferral) students from the students who ‘‘APPLIED IN ED’’ we have to first know how many were deferred, dont we? so 1880/2847 is that fraction.
10% of 1880 is like not considering what number applied. 10% of 1880 is just the number of students who got ADMITTED AFTER BEING DEFERRED i.e. admitted from deferred ones. whereas 10% of 66% is the percentage of students who got admitted and who APPLIED ED.
i think you and i mean different things here.</p>
<p>okay jjjjj(i dont care how many they are, i always have to count them)joseph, this saying of yours is GREAT: The fact that we all have the drive to care this much shows that we will be successful no matter where we go.
but no one knows what circumstances await us. sometimes your intelligence and whatever youve got in your brain just fails to help you change your life and get what you want. there are much stronger forces which exist and affect us. living in a developing country means you face such challanges every day, which makes you think that maybe it wouldve been better if you’d have been stupid.</p>
<p>Qwerty11: To your first post, yes, 6.6% from the entire ED pool is accepted after deferral. However, to calculate the total percentage accepted, I had to find the exact number of students accepted in each round, I just ignored that number. I apologize for not comprehending the context of your post. </p>
<p>To your second post, I somewhat disagree in concept, and definitely disagree personally. First off, there is no situation in which I can imagine that I would rather be dumb than intelligent—no matter the amount of money, fame or fortune I could attain. Also, I was assuming that we are all on CollegeConfidential from a developed country, so that slipped my mind. </p>
<p>I do understand your point, that a very intelligent person born in Haiti, for example, would have a more difficult time succeeding than one born in Palo Alto and raised by Stanford Alums. You should read ‘Outliers’; it mentions the same concept of success based on both situation and hard work. However, what I meant is that by doing our best in the context of our situation, we are giving ourselves the best chance to succeed, especially if we already have the resources to apply to schools like Brown. </p>
<p>I’m sure there is a vast amount of unexplored pessimistic response to my somewhat happy-go-lucky post, but just take it at face value. I’m an optimist. I very genuinely hope to meet you at Brown if (when) you (we) get in.</p>
<p>i get your point. and i agree that we should just give our best to whatever we’re doing.</p>
<p>what i meant by saying its better to be dumb than intelligent was this: lets assume we are on point A in life and we know that our intelligence can take us to a certain point B. then after putting in all the hard work we can, some other factor keeps us from getting to point B. this happened to me, and thats when i thought that maybe if i was dumb i would never have thought for getting to B and settled for something easily approachable. lets take a look at a stupid example: if a cat’s mother dies he wouldnt care. i doubt he’d even know who his mother is after he’s gorwn up. but thats not the case with us. the more intelligent you are, and the higher you set your goals, the more dissapointed you feel if you fail. but now that im writing this i’m feeling that this is not a very mature way of thinking. i dont think this way too but sometimes you get into such situations which make just make to think this way.</p>
<p>i certainly hope of meeting you too, and everyone else like you, because thats the main reason i want to get into a good school.</p>
<p>Question: If I want to visit Brown for a day, will I have to call and schedule something?</p>
<p>its all on the website. [Brown</a> University](<a href=“http://www.brown.edu%5DBrown”>http://www.brown.edu)</p>
<p>Just submitted my early decision application! Now all I can do is… well, wait until the result makes or breaks my Christmas.</p>
<p>six weeks is far too long</p>
<p>mmmaythe, did you get the brown’s login yet?</p>
<p>Just submit ED application! Now all I can do is hope for the best 
All the best to you peeps!</p>
<p>@ kennethkcy</p>
<p>Yes, I did (:</p>
<p>OMG, I submitted the application like 5 days ago, I still didn’t get my brown’s login.</p>
<p>@kennethkcy: I think I read from some threads that it might take a while to get you login after you submitted your application, given the huge number of applications they receive. So don’t worry too much!</p>
<p>i submitted my app about 3 weeks ago and i havnt got my login yet. :/</p>
<p>Trying to make one of my previous essays fit Brown’s supplemental questions. I blame senioritis.</p>