<p>I read in an interview during her college selection process that pretty much all she does on set is study and that she’s actually a lot like her character in that way. I was amused. I don’t know if I could handle being in a study group with someone who actually honest to god looked and acted like Hermione. I was very happy to hear that she was going to go to college, though. I hope she isn’t having a hard time socially because of all the nonsense.</p>
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<p>That would be boss.</p>
<p>Their philosophies & campuses are so different! Would you prefer a loose, unstructured more intimate approach to your education?–then Brown. If you want the big 10 experience, then UMi. I think you have to decide where you’d be happier. If you are serious about political science, though, I’d consider George Washington. No better place than DC with its access to internships, etc.</p>
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Keep in mind that it’s MUCH easier to get back into Michigan than Brown should you change your mind.</p>
<p>Personally, I’d choose Brown. Much more money per student (having attended both a top private and public, you do notice), and the open curriculum is quite nice. The size of courses at Michigan is exaggerated, but you’re still far more likely to find small courses at Brown. To be blunt, you’re also more likely to be surrounded by a universally intelligent and talented student body. </p>
<p>That said, I strongly agree that it’s a fit issue. Michigan has much to offer that Brown does not.</p>
<p>Which public school did you attend? Mmmm. What would you say are crucial things that Michigan offers that Brown is lacking in?</p>
<p>Guess I’ll never really know if I fit until I get there.</p>
<p>Michigan has a more vibrant social and athletic scene, in my opinion, and it has considerably more school spirit.</p>
<p>I personally think Michigan and UNC have the best mix of academics and social life of all public universities, though of course I can’t say for sure without having attended all of them.</p>
<p>Seems like schools in the Ivies are overrated. There seems to be much negative comments of unfulfilled expectations. I was always under the impression that graduating from the Ivies opened doors.</p>
<p>IBClass, your comments do not do Michigan credit. </p>
<p>1) The student body at Michigan is as cultured, intellectual and talented as the student body at Brown. Brown’s average ACT score is 1.5 points higher than Michigan, and Michigan has programs such as Kinesiology and Nursing that don’t exactly attract the most academically inclided students. So, although Brown may have a slightly more talented student body, the difference is negligible, especially if one choses to enroll in challenging classes.</p>
<p>2) Brown does not have “much more money” per student than Michigan. Michigan’s endowment per student stands at roughly $150,000 per student, compared to $250,000 per student at Brown. Even from an absolute sense, the difference is not that significant. However, if you consider that Michigan receives $300,000,000 from the state and when you take economies of scale into consideration, I would say that the two schools are equally well off financially.</p>
<p>boysdontcryy, the Ivies are not overrated. They are truly excellent universities and worthy of praise. But many schools on this forum are underrated, especially Michigan and other publics elites, but some privates, like Chicago, Duke, Georgetown, Johns Hopkins, Northwestern, Notre Dame and Rice are also not given the credit they deserve by the masses. Obviously, where it matters most, in the eyes of academe and corporate America, they are respected as they should be.</p>
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Brown
SAT CR 650-760
SAT M 670-780
SAT W 660-770
ACT 28-33</p>
<p>SAT CR 700+: 58%
SAT M 700+: 66%
SAT W 700+: 63%
ACT 30+: 66%</p>
<p>Michigan
SAT CR 580-690
SAT M 640-740
SAT W 590-700
ACT 27-31</p>
<p>SAT CR 700+: 22%
SAT M 700+: 46%
SAT W 700+: 28%
ACT 30+: 44%</p>
<p>Negligible difference, my foot. Michigan has long functioned as a rolling match for well-qualified OOS students.</p>
<p>(The Kinesiology and Nursing argument doesn’t really hold. Cornell has an equal number of such programs, and its test scores are also a good bit higher than Michigan’s.)</p>
<p>Not really IBClass, the day private universiyties stop boosting their numbers by reporting superscoring SAT results is the day that you would be able to use the SAT to compare student bodies at private universities with student bodies at public universities fairly. Until then, stick to the ACT. Brown and Cornell’s ACT averages are roughly 1-1.5 points higher than Michigan. As an alum of both Cornell and Michigan, I am actually qualified to make the comparision. When I say the difference is negligible, it actually is. </p>
<p>And I suggest you acquire some class IBclass. Ignorant and unjustified ignorance, and using terms like “my foot” does not strengthen your argument.</p>
<p>Brown students are also a lot more sophisticated than Michigan students without a doubt. Most Michigan students are in-staters who have never left the Midwest region and extensively traveled to/visited cities like New York City and Los Angeles, let alone international cities like London, Paris, Barcelona, Toronto, Sydney, Shanghai, Mumbai, Florence, etc. etc.</p>
<p>This is I think the BIGGEST difference between Michigan/Berkeley/Virginia/UNC students than Chicago/Stanford/Duke/Ivy students. In this increasingly globalized world, I think it would do the OP good to go to a school where the student body is more internationally savvy with regards to their interests, knowledge and experiences.</p>
<p>Brown will no doubt be a more intellectually satisfying experience as well with the open curriculum I would think. Besides, the Ivy pedigree is hard to beat.</p>
<p>1 Harvard
2 Yale
3 Stanford<br>
4 Caltech
5 MIT<br>
6 Princeton<br>
7 Brown
8 Columbia<br>
9 Amherst
10 Dartmouth
11 Wellesley
12 Penn
13 Notre Dame
14 Swarthmore
15 Cornell
16 Georgetown
17 Rice
18 Williams
19 Duke
20 UVA
21 Northwestern
22 Pomona
23 Berkeley
24 Georgia Tech
25 Middlebury
26 Wesleyan
27 Chicago<br>
28 Johns Hopkins<br>
29 USC
30 Furman
31 UNC<br>
32 Barnard
33 Oberlin
34 Carleton
35 Vanderbilt
36 UCLA
37 Davidson
38 UT Austin
39 NYU
40 Tufts
41 Washington & Lee
42 Michigan</p>
<p>It the OP is still reading…obviously, it’s a matter of taste. </p>
<p>Alexandre is a Michigan grad. IMO, he is WAY over the top. He used to be a frequent contributor to the law board–in fact, I think he was briefly the moderator–and kept writing that UMichigan Law was one of the “top 5” US law schools. Nobody else in the US puts it in the top six. </p>
<p>UMichigan and Brown are two very different places. I admit I’m biased in favor of Brown. </p>
<p>Here are some differences:</p>
<p>While Brown is not need blind for internationals, it does give some fin aid to internationals. If you need any, it’s Brown hands down. UMich offers ZERO fin aid to internationals. This matters if you qualify for fin aid. In my opinion, it also matters if you don’t, because as international yourself–if you are one–you’ll soon find that your fellow internationals are all VERY well off. Moreover, regular old UMich students from the USA know this and will assume that, as an international, you’re rich. No such assumptons will be made about you at Brown. </p>
<p>The EC scene at Brown is amazing–and, for the most part, you don’t have to be a superstar to participate. UMichigan is HUGE and getting into the more desirable activities is next to impossible. A good friend of my D’s was an excellent dancer. She’d taken ballet since the age of 3. She tried out for the dance troupe at UMich. There were about 70 who tried her year and 10 made it. She didn’t --and there wasn’t really another dance troupe. To be in the UMichigan marching band, you have to be an extraordinary musician. </p>
<p>Brown is a much smaller school, and so it’s easier to make the team or EC of your choice. Lots of kids do two or three different things–write for the “BeadieHatch” --BDH-- or the Brown Daily Herald and play in the jazz band, etc. </p>
<p>UMich also is very “Greek-friendly.” Indeed, my understanding is that the majority of students belong to a frat. At Brown, it’s more like 10% of the student body. The end result is that the most common EC at UMich is belonging to a frat or sorority. Last time I checked the stats–which was I admit more than 5 years ago–fewer than 10% of UMich students participated in an EC other than a frat. At Brown, it would be hard to find a student who doesn’t participate in at least one non-Greek EC. </p>
<p>Moreover, Brown is jokingly referred to as “Brown Semi-Versity.” It does have a med school, but it doesn’t have a graduate business school or law school. Its graduate school is quite small. The emphasis at Brown is on undergrads and EVERY prof in arts and sciences MUST teach undergrad courses. That’s FAR from the case at UMich. </p>
<p>I admit I am for various reasons as prejudiced in favor of Brown as Alexandre is in favor of UMich. I hope that I have at least given you reasons for my prejudice. My closest friend is a UMich grad–she loved it there. She also admits that she did not participate in a single EC…and that is the biggest regret of her undergrad days.</p>
<p>“Most Michigan students are in-staters who have never left the Midwest region and extensively traveled to/visited cities like New York City and Los Angeles, let alone international cities like London, Paris, Barcelona, Toronto, Sydney, Shanghai, Mumbai, Florence, etc. etc.”</p>
<p>Talk about about a snobbish and provincial view of midwesterners. You have absolutely no proof or way to back up this statement. For your information, Chicago is just as cultured and sophisticated as Los Angeles, if not more so. Furthermore, I can assure you that as a whole Michiganians travel to cities like Toronto much more often than coastal dwellers. Finally, to include all elite publics like they are just typical state universities is also totally ridiculous. You need to get out of your area more often and become more sophisticated yourself!</p>
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Summary: Brown has more rich students, so you don’t have to associate with the lesser classes.
/sarcastic tone</p>
<p>Michigan has one of the best political science programs in the country, but Brown is also an excellent school. You can’t lose either way.</p>
<p>you guys have Michigan goggles on. Look at ANY study of placement. For example Yale law has TWICE the number of Brown undergrads yet Michigan is 7 times bigger. The Obama administration has TWICE the number of Brown grads yet Michigan is SEVEN TIMES as big. Harvard law has THREE times the number of brown grads yet Michigan is SEVEN TINE as big. I’m at my brother’s wedding this weekend and I showed him this thread. He is a super successful guy in finance and he found this question laughable.</p>
<p>Its your choice. Go to a much better school where people rock the world when they graduate or go to a nice state school with ranked departments that pretty much means nothing. I’m sorry for my arrogance but I’m reacting to the RIDICULOUS comments on this thread.</p>
<p>^^I would expect more students who attend Brown to end up in Harvard and Yale. I mean they are practically in their backyard!</p>
<p>“Go to a much better school where people rock the world when they graduate or go to a nice state school with ranked departments that pretty much means nothing.”</p>
<p>Translation: Our students superscored tests are higher, but your academics are better.</p>
<p>If I were majoring in political science and could get into Brown, I’d definitely go there.</p>
<p>I’m majoring in CS (and I probably couldn’t get into Brown anyways), so I’d eaisily pick U of M, a top Engineering school, over Brown.</p>
<p>“Alexandre is a Michigan grad. IMO, he is WAY over the top. He used to be a frequent contributor to the law board–in fact, I think he was briefly the moderator–and kept writing that UMichigan Law was one of the “top 5” US law schools. Nobody else in the US puts it in the top six.”</p>
<p>Not quite Jonri, I was moderator of the Cornell, Michigan and MBA forums, but I was then made supermoderator and no longer assigned specific forums. And I never claimed that Michigan Law was an unconditional top 5 program, I stated, and so do most legal scholars, that Michigan Law is one of the top 6 or 7 Law schools that can make a legitimate claim at being a top 5 Law school. </p>
<p>“While Brown is not need blind for internationals, it does give some fin aid to internationals. If you need any, it’s Brown hands down. UMich offers ZERO fin aid to internationals. This matters if you qualify for fin aid. In my opinion, it also matters if you don’t, because as international yourself–if you are one–you’ll soon find that your fellow internationals are all VERY well off. Moreover, regular old UMich students from the USA know this and will assume that, as an international, you’re rich. No such assumptons will be made about you at Brown.”</p>
<p>Generally speaking jonri, the majority of students at Brown and Michigan come from upper middle income family. The assumption that one is wealthy at those schools is standard until proven otherwise.</p>
<p>“The EC scene at Brown is amazing–and, for the most part, you don’t have to be a superstar to participate. UMichigan is HUGE and getting into the more desirable activities is next to impossible. A good friend of my D’s was an excellent dancer. She’d taken ballet since the age of 3. She tried out for the dance troupe at UMich. There were about 70 who tried her year and 10 made it. She didn’t --and there wasn’t really another dance troupe. To be in the UMichigan marching band, you have to be an extraordinary musician.”</p>
<p>There are dozens of music and dance clubs at Michigan that do not require one to be of professional standing or to invest hours each day practicing. In fact, with over 1,000 student organizations, Michigan officially has the most EC offerings in the United States. That is a fact. </p>
<p>“Brown is a much smaller school, and so it’s easier to make the team or EC of your choice. Lots of kids do two or three different things–write for the “BeadieHatch” --BDH-- or the Brown Daily Herald and play in the jazz band, etc.”</p>
<p>That may be, but it is not like one would have a far worse selection at Michigan. </p>
<p>“UMich also is very “Greek-friendly.” Indeed, my understanding is that the majority of students belong to a frat. At Brown, it’s more like 10% of the student body. The end result is that the most common EC at UMich is belonging to a frat or sorority. Last time I checked the stats–which was I admit more than 5 years ago–fewer than 10% of UMich students participated in an EC other than a frat. At Brown, it would be hard to find a student who doesn’t participate in at least one non-Greek EC.”</p>
<p>Shows how little you know about Michigan. Fewer than 20% (15%-18% to be precise) of undergrads belong to the greek system. Michigan’s social structure does not revolve around the Greek system as it does at schools like Dartmouth.</p>
<p>“Moreover, Brown is jokingly referred to as “Brown Semi-Versity.” It does have a med school, but it doesn’t have a graduate business school or law school. Its graduate school is quite small. The emphasis at Brown is on undergrads and EVERY prof in arts and sciences MUST teach undergrad courses. That’s FAR from the case at UMich.”</p>
<p>Really? Last I checked, Michigan’s undergraduate to graduate ratio was similar to Brown’s and Brown’s traditional disciplines all have PhD offerings ranked among the top 30, which would indicate that research is an important part of the faculty’s mission. </p>
<p>“I admit I am for various reasons as prejudiced in favor of Brown as Alexandre is in favor of UMich. I hope that I have at least given you reasons for my prejudice. My closest friend is a UMich grad–she loved it there. She also admits that she did not participate in a single EC…and that is the biggest regret of her undergrad days.”</p>
<p>Your friend either did not try hard enough or had a unique interest that may not have been offered at Michigan. While at Michigan, I was involved in several clubs and I never had trouble joining. </p>
<p>In short, jonri, I may love Michigan, but I would never say it is better than Brown. In my opinion, Brown is an exceptional university worthy of respect and certainly on par with my beloved Michigan. I did not recommend the OP chose Michigan over Brown, nor did I hint that chosing Brown over Michigan would be a mistake as many have done on thos thread. Can you say as much?</p>