<p>any thoughts? which one is better?</p>
<p>Just curious, what do you think got you into Brown? I got accepted to HPME but not the PLME. I can’t figure out why…</p>
<p>I got into HPME and not Brown too. But that’s besides the point. HPME! The undergraduate school and the medical school are top tier (ranked higher than Brown if you care about rankings) and they are both in Chicago!</p>
<p>Hey same here! (PLME and HPME)
Im def. leaning towards HPME but PLME was my absolute DREAM for years so I don’t want to throw it away so quickly!</p>
<p>PLME has the toughest acceptance rate out of any undergraduate program in the country.</p>
<p>personally, i would go with Brown - much better place to go to college, excellent program designed to give pre med students complete academic freedom and amazing opportunities before starting med school.</p>
<p>i really think that HPME might have the tougher acceptance rate because it has the application card requirement before even sending out apps. but that’s not that important (and i could definitely be wrong) - i think what makes HPME better is that feinberg is a much better medical school than alpert (#19 compared with #34) and if you do PLME, you can’t apply out after four years to other medical schools without forfeiting your spot at alpert. </p>
<p>i got into PLME but won’t do it - for me the choice is between brown regular undergrad and HPME. BUT that said, i think both are really selective, great programs :)</p>
<p>dcircle,</p>
<p>HPME has always had higher average SAT than PLME by considerable margin. HPME requires Math2/Chem SAT II and application card while anyone can apply to PLME. So going by acceptance rate isn’t really a fair comparison.</p>
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<p>^ @sam lee,</p>
<p>SAT scores aren’t much of a fair point of comparison either, although it seems like the average SAT scores for plme have gone up (735CR, 747Math, 749Writing). but yes, without a doubt, the numbers for HPME accepted students are crazy. </p>
<p>For OP, you might want to consider the philosophies of the two programs. If you want that accelerated undergrad path, then definitely go to NW. On the other hand, PLME is the full 8 years, and seems to be dedicated to developing doctors with a more humanist and worldly approach to medicine. you should probably find some plme/hpme students to see what they think of their respective programs’ philosophies</p>
<p>HPME and NU really encourage students to explore their interests and give students the option to take a 4th year (for a total of 8.) I don’t think it is any different from Brown in this sense.</p>
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<p>Huh? If you’re considering brown undergrad and got into PLME, why not PLME?</p>
<p>SSplash77,</p>
<p>PLME lets you apply out without losing your guarantee.</p>
<p>I think the US News WR rankings are not as important as the resident match list.
IMO Brown has a better match list than Fienberg. Also, although NU undergrad is ranked higher, Brown undergrad is more selective. PLME has no GPA requirement and only requires you to get a B in Biology to stay in the program. If you want, you can take the rest of you classes Pass/fail. Quite a few people have trouble keeping the 3.2 GPA at NU.</p>
<p>You can not go wrong with either program. Congratulations to those who were fortunate enough to get into these programs.</p>
<p>you’re right, my b! they changed it up because everyone got upset: [The</a> Brown Daily Herald - Med school softens new PLME policy](<a href=“http://www.browndailyherald.com/med-school-softens-new-plme-policy-1.2097693]The”>http://www.browndailyherald.com/med-school-softens-new-plme-policy-1.2097693)</p>
<p>“PLME has the toughest acceptance rate out of any undergraduate program in the country.”</p>
<p>This is not a true statement. The distinction of toughest acceptance rate goes to Rice/Baylor, with 1550 applicants for 13 spots this year.</p>
<p>im a junior and am really interested in going into plme/hpme
can you guys who got in provide some specs?
extra currics would be appreciated too
or better yet, if you could chance me? thanks</p>
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<p>northern,</p>
<p>I think the reason you thought Brown match list was better because you saw a few “Harvard med school” on the list. But please note that almost all of them are in non-competitive specialties.</p>
<p>To look at only school names without considering the specialties is like treating Yale Law School and Yale School of Engineering the same thing. Please notice the complete (or almost) absence of specialties like radiation oncology, orthopedic surgery, dermatology, or urology…etc and overrepresentation of psychiatry and pediatrics.</p>
<p>I don’t know which specialty is more competitive than others in your early stage of residency decision. As you know, a lot of people choose Internal medicine because they are going to take a sub-specialty like Gastroenterology later. And Gastroenterology is very competitive. </p>
<p>As far as i know, Northwestern HPME is very expensive, when you make decision you better count it in. Finally, Residency is where your job might land, it is the result of scramble match system, and it is based on your GPA, class rank, USMLE score and recommendation letter. Your school may play some role in the future after your residency and fellowship, in this regard, i think Brown PLME is better than NW HPME. Especially in the future, say ten years from now, Brown’s rank will climb much higher, and it is an Ivy league school.</p>
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It’s cheaper than PLME since HPME is a 7-yr program (option to do 8). You are not gaining any point on this one.
You are not making any sense. I pointed out Northwestern has better match list as far as specialties go. You admitted you didn’t know which specialties are more competitive but then turned around and made a statement about which one is better.
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Given the fact you don’t even know which specialties are more competitive, it’s safe to say you have virtually no idea how medical programs are run, let alone seeing which ones <em>will</em> be gaining relatively to others in 10 years. </p>
<p>Peer assessment and residency directors ratings on USN:
Brown: 3.2/3.8
Northwestern: 3.8/4.2</p>
<p>Hello Sam, are you in the program or not? tell me which one, you are actually in. My nephew got in both HPME and PLME, we can compare apple to apple in terms of scholarship (year 2010 admitted), No matter it apply to 8 years or 7 years.</p>
<p>You have your point, but in the real medicine world, everybody knows your GPA, class rank, USMLE score and recommendation letter matters most. don’t argue simply u don’t agree.</p>
<p>Speaking of rank, and peer assessment, i am leaning for ten years from now, it is time when you about to start to enter your medicine practice, the rank will change as well as residency directors rating. </p>
<p>No more comments! you have your own. Have a great day, dude</p>
<p>One more thing to be noticed, i personally come across a person who is a dean in a renowned medical school, who graduated from Brown Medical school. I am wondering if he graduated from Northwestern (no offense here), will he be hire as medical school dean. I am thinking because he is from Ivy league school and he may also have very good credential.</p>
<p>^You are confusing medical schools with colleges. Brown med school does not have the kind of cachet in the medical world like the Ivies in the college world. I am not sure why you mentioned GPA, class rank, USMLE score, and recommendation letter. Were you thinking that Brown med school students have higher USMLE scores? I think you are confused here too. Northwestern med school acutally gets students of higher caliber with higher undergrad GPAs and MCAT scores. It’s very likely they will go on to get higher USMLE scores. Even if you look at only HPME vs PLME, HPME students have noticeably higher test scores (70+ points on M + CR; see post #7). It seems to me you just got colleges and med schools mixed up.</p>