Brown U --> Cornell U Transfer Chances?

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<p>Well, it's not so much what you say (though that was somewhat offensive) as it is the fact that you singled me out. I then asked, why have you singled me out? The only two things (up to that point) that I'd mentioned were that:</p>

<p>1) I disagreed that Cornell is better than Brown for pre-law
2) I noted how tough it is to transfer into Cornell CAS, which was solely for the OP's knowledge</p>

<p>So I just wondered how either of those could invoke someone's indirect insult, as I take someone asking me why I post on a board (was I rejected) and then telling me they don't like my posts as an insult. But if you didn't mean anything by it, that's fine.</p>

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<p>i dont see why you are now practically insulting me after i apoligized for asking you if you got regected.
law school applicants know that they are evaluated mostly on gpa and lsat.
ppl on this board speak of prelaw like its an actual program, which its not.
you may not have directly said cornell is not as good of a school but anyone can tell your post imply it.
and ppl do tend here do tend to side with me.
keep in mind you are on the cornell forum and the op mealy asked for his chances to cornell. not your opinion on brown.</p>

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<p>Please point out what part of my post is insulting towards you. I am merely stating what I thought was insulting about your initial post. In fact, I've made absolutely no reference towards your character in that post.</p>

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and ppl do tend here do tend to side with me.

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<p>Forgive me, but why would this matter to me? Does the fact that more people on the Cornell forum agree with you give your posts more credibility? As I've said, there was nothing anti-Cornell in either of my posts. I stated an opinion. It is just crazy to me that all of you (Cornell people) seem to have nothing against the person that said "Cornell is better than Brown for pre-law" but showed no proof, yet we're STILL discussing my argument that they are peers. </p>

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keep in mind you are on the cornell forum and the op mealy asked for his chances to cornell. not your opinion on brown

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<p>Keep in mind that as soon as a poster (in post #12) compares Cornell to Brown and advocates Cornell's superiority, he has made an opinion on both Brown and Cornell. I have not given an opinion on Brown. I gave at least some sort of evidence. He gave nothing. I argue for equality. He argues for Cornell's superiority. You are still here arguing with me and telling me that I'm wrong and rude. </p>

<p>Anyways, I'm tired of running around in circles with all of you. It's one thing to have an opinion one way or another, but the bias here is awful: as I've said, there have been probably 20 posts about me saying Brown & Cornell are equal and nobody ever questioned the guy who said Cornell's better. Take a step back and look at something without bias. I have no opinion on this matter. I go to Wesleyan. ;)</p>

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<p>proof once again that admission to an ivy doesn't necessarily guarantee closure or peace of mind.</p>

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<p>"Brown & Cornell are equal and nobody ever questioned the guy who said Cornell's better"</p>

<p>are you kidding me you did not say that. the former is false. and he didnt mean cornell is better overall just in some specific areas (exp. engineering, bus, premed, food : )). although i do disagree with the prelaw part. </p>

<p>and anyways its his opinion, whats wrong with thinking cornells better. define better. what if i think princetons better than yale, im entitled to my opinion. for me schools arent measured in admissions precentages. which is what i said in my first post on this forum. you seem to have a difficult time accepting the fact that the op wants to transfer to cornell fromm brown.</p>

<p>and i just meant that there are a lot of ppl from cornell on a cornell forum so you should expect ppl who really know the school to clarify any misrepresentation of cornell.
i think the posters who actually go to the school would have a somewhat better idea after all the op asked his question here and not on the transfer forum. </p>

<p>and most of your posts argue that brown is better for prelaw but as we all know its mainly based on lsat and gpa. i think they are equal, i never claimed one was better than the other.</p>

<p>and lastely just chilllll, this is cc i think im allowed a difference in opinion. </p>

<p>i dont exactly go on wesleyans forum and pretend i know more than those who actually go there.
im going to stop posting on this now so feel free to make as many condesending comments as you want i wont be hear to see them.
go ahead ill let you have the last word your majesty.</p>

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<p>I go to Brown, and am pretty surprised that a kid that hasn't stepped on campus yet wants to transfer already. We usually average 8-10 transfers out a year. It's a really low rate, and in the newspaper last year they chronicled a kid that transferred out to Harvard and transferred back. Most students are pretty happy. As far as the sweeping generalizations about Brown being where the less serious students attend, why have we produced more Fulbright Scholars every year than Cornell with a population 3x Brown? I'm not going to debate the merits of which is the better school since they are not similar. At all. This really is an apples and oranges debate. We are a true liberal arts college with no pre-professional tracks except for engineering. As far as admissions for professional schools like law, and MBA we do for a fact place significantly better than Cornell. In regards to law school, its not even close. You can look at the most represented schools from Harvard to Georgetown and Brown has more alumni represented.</p>

<p>Not to flame Cornell as a school since my brother attended, but freshman year we used to make fun of the one kid in my freshman unit that wasn't accepted to Cornell. As it's always joked, its easy to get into Cornell but not to get out. My senior year of high school, Cornell accepted over 10% of our senior class (35 kids accepted). These are the perceptions of Cornell from the other side of the fence, that and the whole state school thing. </p>

<p>They are both good schools, I would advise giving Brown a chance and not going in with the mentality that you won't like it. I am truly perplexed that you got into Brown but not Cornell. Which college at Cornell did you apply to?</p>

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although i do disagree with the prelaw part.

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<p>Thank you for proving my point. Now may I ask why you started debating with me (or should I say attacking me) if you never disagreed with anything I said? I mean, if it wasn't the bit about prelaw, are you debating Cornell CAS' super-low transfer acceptance rate? Or are you just offended that I posted my opinion on the Cornell forum? Let's just call it quits, huh?</p>

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go ahead ill let you have the last word your majesty.

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<p>I'm bored and this is silly.</p>

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<p>sleph, your posts is riddled with unproven assumptions. Tell me a brown education teaches better. </p>

<p>"we do for a fact place significantly better than Cornell"
for a fact, eh? Why dont you show us some facts. Wait, do they even exist? </p>

<p>"we used to make fun of the one kid in my freshman unit that wasn't accepted to Cornell."
congratulations for bringing such festivities researved for only the low classers in high school to the college level. You're a much better douche bag than forum poster. </p>

<p>another thing as well:
"We usually average 8-10 transfers out a year."</p>

<p>no, Brown does not. In fact, the actual number is around 165-180 based on a freshmen retention rate of 97%. Plus, figure in those who transfer out after sophomore year. 8-10 is waaaaay off. Unless, of course, these students just dissapear in thin air, or Brown has a huge drop out and never return to college rate.</p>

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<p>johnwesley: why is this proof that going to an ivy doesn't provide peace of mind? Instead, I think your voyeuristic post in an ivy forum proves that attending some non-ivy college creates jealousy.</p>

<p>brand_182: you definitely imply that Brown is better than Cornell. The fact that the OP didn't even ask about Brown and you barge in here illustrates your mental masturbation with which you hope to keep yourself from crying about not attending an Ivy. And dood, get a life. You posted probably over 20 posts here each approximately four paragraphs long. What do you want? A fist fight? A cookie? Some sick invisible cyber pride?</p>

<p>This is my last post on here. I got things to do. I hope to see your 6,500 posts skyrocket to a million.</p>

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<p>Sorry. It can be difficult to contain my post to a few sentences when I'm trying to cover so many idiotic statements at once.</p>

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The fact that the OP didn't even ask about Brown and you barge in here illustrates your mental masturbation with which you hope to keep yourself from crying about not attending an Ivy.

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<p>1) Brown was being compared to Cornell long before I made my arrival in this thread. I merely stated that I do not think Cornell is better than Brown for pre-law AFTER someone blindly said Cornell is better and the rest of you nodded your heads in silent agreement. :rolleyes:
2) I didn't apply to any ivy league schools, but you are welcome to come up with your theories, sad as they are.</p>

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You posted probably over 20 posts here each approximately four paragraphs long. What do you want?

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<p>Hmm...actually, you'll notice that my first post was several sentences and my second post was one word. Shocker! It was only when people attacked me for stating my opinion that I fired back. Perhaps most comical about all of this is that those that initially insulted me for my opinion have ended up agreeing with me in the end. </p>

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I hope to see your 6,500 posts skyrocket to a million.

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<p>With people like you roaming the boards, it seems my work may never be done. I won't post often in the near future, but I assure you there will be more like myself that don't sit back and watch the fools run the show. Peace.</p>

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<p>theslowclap wrote:</p>

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<p>Voyeuristic? Oh, goodie. They teach psychology at Cornell. I wasn't sure. No, in answer to your question, I visit ivy forums to get a taste of something we don't experience much in little ivy forums -- complete and utter narcissism.</p>

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<p>I'll bet it isn't.</p>

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<p>The off-topic discussions about what was and wasn't implied have got to stop. They water down and sour an otherwise healthy discussion about the differences between Cornell and Brown. And, quite frankly, they are embarrassing for all parties involved. </p>

<p>Gomestar: Your numbers are probably a bit biased upwards. I'm not certain the freshman class retention rate can be applied to all class years as a measure of students transferring out, and even then, it probably shouldn't be applied to the junior or senior classes. For Brown, around 35-40 freshman don't return every year. I don't know how many of those are transferring out as opposed to just dropping out. </p>

<p>Sleph: You make some good points, especially in regards to the ability to actually compare the two schools. But why you would be surprised (let alone make fun of) that somebody might be accepted into Brown but not Cornell is beyond me. The admissions game for a lot of schools is a crap shoot.</p>

<p>I'm also going to have to disagree with you on the meaning of the placement numbers. Such numbers are incredibly hard to compare because there is no basis for consistent comparisons across schools. Brown may have more alums at HLS (a claim which I don't know to be true), but you will need to control for the number of alums applying to HLS or even interested in law school, as well as the quality of the students. This is why rankings like the Wall Street Journal's are fundamentally flawed.</p>

<p>Another thing to consider: Cornellians are a a lot more socio-economically diverse than the kids at Brown. For this reason, they may rule out expensive law or med schools altogether, unwilling to take on the debt. A lot of my friends at Cornell with insanely high GPAs and test scores ended up at places like SUNY-Buffalo or SUNY-Downstate even though they get into "better" programs. Are you going to hold this against them?</p>

<p>Finally, you are right about Brown and Fulbrights. Brown is incredibly successful in obtaining Fulbrights... close to 40% of students who apply get a Fulbright at Brown. But Cornell's rate (around 30%), isn't anything to sneeze at either, and rivals most other schools. But Fulbrights aren't necessarily the best indicator of "academic seriousness" either. Academically serious students can do a lot of things: go on to manage a hotel, get a masters degree in engineering, or become a social worker. All are things that Cornell students do. </p>

<p>In terms of students who go on to get PhDs, Cornell and Brown are about the same... around 9% of all grads go on to get a PhD. That might be the best available measure of "academic seriousness".</p>

<p>But I still maintain for the original poster: Go to Brown. Give it a fair shot. You will probably like it and stay there. It's a good school. I just tend to favor the more dynamic and down-to-earth Cornell experience.</p>

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The off-topic discussions about what was and wasn't implied have got to stop

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<p>Believe it or not, I couldn't agree more. I've been willing to put an end to these petty debates for some time now but I'm not one to sit by while others insult my character. Please, let's give it a rest.</p>

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<p>"Gomestar: Your numbers are probably a bit biased upwards."</p>

<p>ohhhhh, I divided by total student body and not freshmen only. My mistake!</p>