<p>How about helping the poor guy choose based on something other than a negligible difference in prestige/recognition/other ****?</p>
<p>^Basically the real helpful advice has already been said though its just hard to see in the midst of the useless prestige arguing. Since his brother doesn't know what he wants to do only general things can really be looked at. </p>
<p>Cornell offers more diversity in people and in fields of study, a more down to earth attitude?, nature, food, larger student body, more rigerous/more competative, more rural. </p>
<p>Brown offers open curriculum, smaller, more liberal,more laid back/anti competative, urban</p>
<p>ok I'm not too great at explaining the differences/strengths of both clearly, but basically while they are both excellent and the difference in prestige/recognition/rankings is negligible and a stupid thing to go by for those too, they do have very different feels, and appeal to different types of people, (although many would probably be happy at both). Anyway maybe visit each again if its in the cards, but make the decision based on which is a better fit since they are quite different places, although both excellent. They both have their own strengths and weaknesses, weigh those and then choose.</p>
<p>about international recognition,</p>
<p>at least in korea, cornell is def more known than brown.</p>
<p>brown and dartmouth are two ivy league schools that most ppl in korea never heard of...</p>
<p>i never knew ppl like brown so much until i saw that figure table from NY Times.</p>
<p>Brown. Cornell is the worst ivy.<br>
If you go to Cornell, might as well go to an elite public, better diversity, better professors, higher ranked majors, the whole nine yards. (which is exactly cornell selling points in this thread)</p>
<p>Well, you're implying that Cornell is the worst of the best. Hey, I'd still take up that offer...</p>
<p>I'd go to Cornell, so I wouldn't be with these Brown people that only like to talk about prestige. :)</p>
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<p>at least in korea, cornell is def more known than brown.</p>
<p>brown and dartmouth are two ivy league schools that most ppl in korea never heard of...
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<p>Oh goodness, here it comes. Why should the OP care in the least what people in Korea think? He has a choice between 2 excellent schools. They offer qualitatively different experiences based on campus size, campus culture, and rural vs urban. Whichever he personally prefers is the right choice. He's not choosing between a top school and Arizona State, he's choosing between 2 Ivies. At this level, it's ALL about personal fit and personal preference and there is no one right answer.</p>
<p>What about what people in Norway think? LOL.</p>
<p>Forget prestige for a minute, if that is possible. These two schools have very different atmospheres, really night and day! Size and location are significant differences, as well academic competitive nature in the students. Brown is all about liberal arts. I am always surprised when someone is considering both of these schools equally.</p>
<p>While it is clear the Brown/Dartmouth similarities.</p>
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<p>Are they really? I think there is as much difference in student culture between Dartmouth and Brown as there is between Cornell and Brown.</p>
<p>i would definitely go with brown. peronally i mean. and even tho brown is ranked a little lower i think it carries more prestige.</p>
<p>Take my advice with a grain of salt, tell your brother that which ever school he eventually decides to attend probably wouldn't make a substantial difference in his future career.</p>
<p>What are the THES World University Rankings and the Academic Ranking of World Universities? How come I never heard of those?</p>
<p>midsmith, Cornell is the worst Ivy? Care to explain why?</p>
<p>THES World University Rankings and the Academic Ranking of World Universities are two rankings of international universities based mostly on qualities of researches. People shouldn't have referred to those international rankings since they give little or no consideration to the qualities of undergraduate programs.</p>
<p>I don't really think any rankings can really quantify a school's undergraduate experience. I think the Cornell people here were just reffering to rankings to counteract the notion that Brown always outperforms (and is superior to) Cornell.</p>
<p>Pizzagirl// somebody mentioned international recognition and i just gave one example because i knew specific example for at least one country. don't go crazy about it.</p>
<p>coolman, don't even engage in any such discussions of "worst Ivy." All 8 Ivies are great schools, as are a bunch of other schools in both the uni world and the LAC world. They attract smart student bodies, have great faculties and open lots of doors and you can get anywhere you want to get to them. At this level, the decisions need to be based on personal preference and personal fit / sense of being at home. No one in the real world talks or thinks about "worst Ivy." It's totally geek-high-school-senior thinking.</p>
<p>OP:
These threads always end up the same way. </p>
<p>Cornell vs. XXXXXX</p>
<p>3 types of people congregate to these threads:</p>
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<li> People who hold a vitrolic hatred of Cornell come on and bash the school(Bescraze, for example, who claimed firearms would have to be involved for him to go there).<br></li>
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<p>No matter how often Cornell is NOT ranked the lowest Ivy or how often its programs are ranked amongst the top in the world, someone always comes on with an ignorant statement saying it's the "worst". People who do not like Cornell REALLY do not like Cornell. They think of it as this pathetic quasi-public school that is falsely propped up on a bed of ivy and taking a place of prestige from some other more deserving school. They are often high school students making absurd claims that somehow XXXX school is going to be considered vastly superior to Cornell in the "real world". Take their opinions with a grain of salt, for they are incorrect and have no foundation for their claims.</p>
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<li><p>People who, rather than simply providing information about the school they know, make assertions that school XXX is far superior to Cornell in every way. Take their assertions with a grain of salt, for they are incorrect and typically only know one of these two schools.</p></li>
<li><p>Then, of course, Cornellians come on to defend against these attacks. Myself being one of these, I have noticed time and again that attempts to simply stop the spread of false rumors about Cornell are misconstrued by the other groups as attempts to disparage other schools and prop Cornell up. </p></li>
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<p>This is typically not true. Most Cornellians (as this thread demonstrates) give all the respect in the world that is due to other schools, such as Brown, but typically point out where Cornell excels and where it lags. </p>
<p>Perhaps I am biased, but this last group is probably the most reliable, as well as people who actually went to Brown in speaking specifically about Brown's strengths and weaknesses. </p>
<p>Remember -going to college is not a popularity contest. It's where you feel you would be provided the best opportunities to grow. In your case, that may be Brown or Cornell. In the working world, neither is going to make a lick of difference on a resume, so long as you find the program of study you seek at a particular school.</p>
<p>Well said, applejack.</p>
<p>"about international recognition,
at least in korea, cornell is def more known than brown.
brown and dartmouth are two ivy league schools that most ppl in korea never heard of..."</p>
<p>Korean students aspiring to attend American colleges for their undergraduate studies know Brown, Cornell, and Dartmouth. The general public is ignorant, for the general public doesn't know a lot of prestigious schools: Caltech, Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Duke, Penn, JHU, UChicago, etc. I'm just pointing this out.</p>