<p>Newyorka painted that picture and then came here and spread his ignorance to others by bashing Cornell (when he obviously knows very little about it). And it's not just my opinion that he know little about Cornell; he's said it himself.</p>
<p>Ever hear of Oxbridge?</p>
<p>newyorka's questions and observations may reveal a subtle distaste for Cornell, but they are ultimately innocuous. I love how a ****storm stirs up every time someone says something disagreeable about Cornell.</p>
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<p>The two oldest institutions of higher learning in the world? Do tell.</p>
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First off, pizzagirl, thanks for post 61. And I say that knowing that we tend to represent similarly opposite schools, that the articulation of maybe why x or why y is crucial rather than the just blanket and bold assertions that some people tend to make.
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<p>You're welcome, unalove. While there is certainly friendly cross town rivalry between the two schools (not athletically of course :-) ) in my experience NU people always respected U of C and vice versa. They just offer different experiences. NU is more pre-professional and more of a "traditional" college experience with a large Greek system, big sports, etc. U of C is more intellectually-minded and quirky. There's absolutely no need to try to prove to anyone that one school is better than the other. And a student deciding between the two simply needs to understand the different cultures and ascertain which is a better fit. For the life of me, I don't see why it's the same with any pair of top-20 schools. In the absence of a super compelling reason to attend one over the other (a particular program unique to one school, or a significant financial difference), it's all about personal fit and preference.</p>
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Actually they do. And to counteract your favorite argument, that no one in the professional world actually ranks schools and utilizes that for employment--they do as well. Forget for a second if Brown or Cornell is better to you, just recognize that in the "real world" people do rank schools. I have this first hand from a variety of sources, who all say the same thing (people in various fields law, medicine, and business).
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<p>Really? I've only been in the business world for 20 years and consult for the CEO's of Fortune 500 companies all over the country (and internationally as well). I'm married to someone in the medical field and am quite aware of what is meaningful prestige and what isn't within the world of medicine. What would I know about the real world compared to what a rising high school senior has learned from talking to his parents' friends? You're right, Bescraze. My mistake. The USNWR rankings are engraved on most people's eyeballs so that they review them every night before they go to bed. And you have to tattoo your school's name across your forehead, else how will people know where you went and whether they should judge you favorably or not?</p>
<p>Coolman, I admire how much you love your school, the weak need love babe!!</p>
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<p>Continuing on my own thought - I don't even think it has to be solely within top 20. For example, I have a son who is intrigued with Tulane and NOLA for many reasons. Should he be so fortunate as to get into a top 20 school and Tulane, and he decided to go to Tulane because NOLA spoke to him in some way, that could be a perfectly fine choice too. Bescraze, do you select everything in your life based on the prestige it holds to other people? If so, how do you get dressed in the morning?</p>
<p>I <em>HEART</em> Northwestern and UChicago.</p>
<p>Newyorka was just sharing an opinion that he had. There should be no need to criticize him. After all, I think that's what this forum is about.
From my own school, Cornell is also viewed as the "safety Ivy". Cornell, however, is no doubt a great university.</p>
<p>Newyorka, I'm not defending Cornell because I love it so much. I'm defending it because what you say about it is untrue and unfair. I don't understand why you think you are in a position to even comment on Cornell, when you admit that you don't know much about it. I would so the same for any school.</p>
<p>Hallowarts, you go to Princeton. What school isn't a safety for you :)?</p>
<p>How in the world was I attacking Newyorka? </p>
<p>He said he lives in New York City in a community that sends 30% of students to the Ivy League. I was raised in a very similar culture. It is elitist. It seeks the best of society's offerings. </p>
<p>Perhaps you interpret elitist as a slander. I don't. It's simply a set of values that typically stand in contrast to the purpose of Cornell.</p>
<p>If that came across as a slander, I apologize. I was just pointing out why Newyorka has the perspective he does on Cornell. I was raised with the same exact bias.</p>
<p>Where do I say I know nothing about Cornell? It was on my long list, I visited, I attended 2 sessions at my HS that Cornell reps put on, I spoke to 2 college counselors extensively about it. I am a resident of NY where it is one of our state schools and is a safety for high stats kids at my school.</p>
<p>What I said is I decided not to apply.</p>
<p>First of all, I never said you don't know anything about Cornell. I said you know very little about Cornell, which you have demonstrated in your posts here. Furthermore, you said "I didn't apply to Cornell so don't know it well." There you go, you don't know it well.</p>
<p>Okay, and it is not a state school. It has contract colleges, which are different than state public colleges.</p>
<p>Cornell is on every list of NY state colleges.</p>
<p>Honestly Coolman, your arguments need to be better thought out, no reflection on Cornell I'm sure.</p>
<p>That's because they are contract colleges and have connections to NY state colleges. That does not make them public schools, though. And my arguments are based on fact, while you just make vast generalizations like that Brown is a better school than Cornell. It's ironic that you are telling me to better plan my arguments.</p>
<p>And god forbid that Cornell be even <em>part</em> quasi-related to a state school-- I mean, all state schools (or state-funded programs that are not directly related to the arts and sciences college) are HORRIBLE! Look at Michigan, Berkeley, and Virginia! Horrible, terrible, awful schools I tell you!</p>
<p>unalove, if you are directing your posts towards me, I would suggest going back and looking at my posts. I never implied that state schools were bad. I'm just correcting Newyorka's mistakes about Cornell.</p>
<p>And for the record, a contract college is "a college or school that is a component of an independent, private university that has been designated by the state legislature to receive significant, ongoing public funding from the state. The statutory college is operated by the university on behalf of the state, with the mission of serving specific educational needs of the state. New York's statutory colleges are administratively affiliated with the State University of New York (SUNY) system, and receive funding from SUNY's operating budget; however, SUNY ultimately has little control over the academic functions of these colleges — research to be pursued, admission standards, standards for completion of degrees and which academic programs are offered are determined by the statutory college's private institution."</p>