<p>The flaw in your argument is that even if homosexuality is simply a choice, a behavior, what exactly is wrong with that behavior? There is no logical reason to oppose it outside of "morality" and religion. </p>
<p>And you again say that we should simply accept all viewpoints -- but I say not when that viewpoint has an actual detrimental effect on a group of human beings. </p>
<p>Homosexuality is not destructive, so I'm not sure what my parents would be "worried" about. Women-to-women transfer of STI's is significantly lower than man-to-man or man-to-woman. Yes, anal sex poses a greater risk of transfer than vaginal sex, however, straight people have anal sex too, and many gay men don't have anal sex but instead primarily oral sex. And I clearly have a much lower chance of getting pregnant by dating mostly women. The only thing they have to fear for me is being socially ostracized or my rights trampled on by people like you who help to weave a societal fabric of misinformation and intolerance.</p>
<p>hey, fwiw, i thought what the bleep do we know was awesome :)</p>
<p>My new agey type friends at the time did too until I pointed out how a lot of it wasn't true.</p>
<p>it's been a long time since i've seen it, but curious, what stuff wasn't true?</p>
<p>ClaySoul, how can my viewpoint have a "detrimental" effect on you? I am sure I would feel "socially ostracized" from you and your friends because of my religious views. (The people who you feel you are being "socially ostracized" from are probably people you don't want to hang around with anyway.) And what rights of yours have I "trampled on"? I could say the same thing to you about my rights to my moral viewpoints. I'm sure I'm not going to change your mind on anything, and you aren't going to change my mind either--you can't force a person to agree with your lifestyle. And it's unfortunate you've run across Christians who you feel have hurt you in some way, because that's not right. I think we've veered way off track on this thread--wasn't the original question about how liberal is Brown? I think the question has been answered--if one doesn't agree with its liberal viewpoints, they wouldn't feel comfortable there. In other words, at Brown, any beliefs are acceptable and can be openly practiced and discussed, except those that aren't the same as the majority (sounds like the opposite of "liberal" to me.)</p>
<p>first, kentucky mom, you are generalizing, because there is a difference between support of gay people and liberalism. If some one disagrees with you on taxes, you're going to be just fine. </p>
<p>But when it comes to the base human rights of gay people, well, that's (and in only some circles) pretty much sacred, and as it should be, for the following reasons (and there are plenty of people at Brown who don't agree). </p>
<p>You obviously did not read my posts. It is detrimental to me because it is impossible to have such disrespect for someone and not treat them differently. </p>
<p>Don't start with me on how your rights to your moral viewpoints are being trampled on. You have absolutely no right to not be around things you find icky. Freedom of religion is about personal right to practice, not about spreading hate onto others. You feel affronted for not getting to prance around about what you have chosen to believe. I feel affronted for not getting to prance around expressing who I fundamentally am. I'm sorry but who is more affronted?</p>
<p>What rights have been trampled on? Are we kidding?</p>
<p>The right to marry
The right to work without fear of getting fired
The right to live without fear of getting evicted
The right to tax equality
The right to hospital visits
The right to inheriting property
The list goes on...</p>
<p>For one, the Japanese guy who taped things to the water cylinders or whatever and claimed to make water "happy". Experiment has NEVER been replicated with the same results. I saw that guy's book at Spectrum India recently so that movie popped into my head.</p>
<p>Ughhh What the Bleep Do We Know was an awful movie...</p>
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<p>explain. i thought it was enlightening, but that was a while ago.</p>
<p>Well, my main objection is that it touts a little more pseudoscience and quantum mysticism than I'm comfortable with. </p>
<p>(Things that really had my eyes rolling was the "happy snowflakes/water" and Ramtha, the 35,000-year-old Atlantis god incarnate spouting nonsense.)</p>
<p>Maybe I'm too closedminded, haha.</p>
<p>No, it was just an awful movie. It's more or less a world tour of leading pseudoscientists. The only legitimate person in it, the professor from Columbia, claims that he tried to sit down the camera crew for an honest, lengthy conversation about quantum physics, but they just took his quotes wildly out of context. The idea that we can bend the rules of the universe using our minds because our neurons are small enough to work on a quantum scale, by the way is patently absurd.</p>
<p>And kentuckymom, I'm sorry if this conversation shaped your view of liberalism at Brown. The truth of the matter is that gay rights are sort of a non-issue on campus. Most any other issue can and will lead to passionate and open debate. This one is not out of respect. If you have any doubts that there are vocal conservatives on campus, read the Brown Spectator. It is much mocked, but it is also the most-read opinion section on campus after the Brown Daily Herald.</p>
<p>The</a> Brown University Spectator</p>
<h1>1 that's not saying much</h1>
<h1>2 only so people can get fired up by reading nonsense. it's like watching maury. OHHH he's not the father!! bam! in your face!</h1>
<p>^^^ truth about the spectator. liberals read it so they can get inscensed and then act even more liberal</p>
<p>this is for dbate and kentuckymom. may the lord bless you...</p>
<p>YouTube</a> - What's Morally Wrong with Homosexuality-- newer version</p>