Thank you, I do have humanities AP’s, I didn’t mention them.
We are in the process of applying for a permanent residency. We’re sure I will get it before I am 21(so I’ll get it in freshman/sophomore year of college, or maybe even late senior year), but I won’t get it before college apps, which is kind of annoying
Yes, only Harvard’s NPC includes an “international” option, so that’s why
Yes, I am extremely grateful that my flagship while not on the level of UC’s, Umich,etc is giving me in state tuition; I feel truly bad for those without this safety net.
Like you said, I will be applying to schools that I would gladly choose over my state flagship. The financial aspect is my main worry, but I will do some research through the summer before this fall and talk with my family. thank you for your support!
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I would view net price calculator results that don’t ask whether you are International with extreme caution. In addition to not being eligible for any U.S. federally funded need based aid…some colleges only offer limited need based aid to international students…and this includes some in the top 20.
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Thank you for the essay advice. I was worried if it’d come off as ungrateful/pretentious, so thanks for the reassurance.
Very true - I don’t think anyone is saying that OP can count on aid that lives up to the NPC projection, at most schools. (I brought up Amherst because that may be an exception, but further research to confirm that would be needed. Same with schools like Harvard/Stanford/MIT.) But I do think she can be certain that need-based aid won’t ever be better than the NPC shows. So, the NPC is a useful tool for eliminating schools that would be non-starters, financial aid wise, even if OP were a domestic applicant.
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@aquapt thats probably true.
What do you want out of your college experience and do you have a sense of your major? I agree with others that you should reconsider the T20 schools and chase merit at other schools that will recognize your stats. Even more, if you have a sense of what you want to study and or also have personal passions and skills, I would find schools that match that. Top schools are drowning in applications due to name recognition, find a hidden gem that will help pay for you to come and save the t20 for grad school.
The title of this article is a bit of a misnomer, as there are full rides and full tuition scholarships combined. This is not an exhaustive list of schools to consider (as there are other schools that give out full rides/tuition scholarships based purely on merit that are not listed here), but it might help generate some ideas for you. (I can’t link but it’s titled 79 Colleges with Full Ride Scholarships and its url is about a collegiate vine)
I marked schools that are members of the Colleges That Change Lives organization with a CTCL. The list of schools on that list are also really good schools to check out for other potential liberal arts schools that might get you to the price point you want.
These are some of the liberal arts colleges on the list:
- U. of Richmond (VA)
- Rhodes (TN): CTCL
- Washington & Lee (VA)
- Oberlin (OH)
- Davidson (NC)
- Furman (SC)
- Lewis & Clark (OR)
- Wofford (SC)
- Rollins (FL)
- St. Lawrence (NY)
- Hendrix (AR): CTCL
- Birmingham-Southern (AL): CTCL
- Agnes Scott (GA): CTCL
- Elizabethtown (PA )
- Oglethorpe (GA)
These are small to medium universities on that list:
- Loyola Marymount (CA)
- Texas Christian
- U. of Rochester (NY)
- Providence (RI)
- Mercer (GA)
- Southern Methodist (TX)
I would suspect that your odds are fair to good to qualify for one of the big scholarships. The less “prestigious” the college, the better your odds.
The matriculation of your high school in recent years is a good reference for what to expect for next year. Especially where the top students are going. Your stats look good, but I feel it needs to be more balanced w humanity side to be competitive for top ivies which are meet-need for international student.
Since you have asked for “chances”, answering these will help:
-How many kids each year typically go to T20s? How about the very top schools, H/Y/P/M/S? Your school’s past success is helpful for chancing.
-Have you taken the hardest courses offered at your school? Skipped ANY hard ones? Our school has Val/Sal kids avoid the hard courses some years and it almost never works out for them. Top schools often take kids with (mildly ) lower GPAs &/or even lower scores who have challenged themselves over Val/Sal who haven’t.
-You say you have 8 AP sciences: I do not think there are eight. What APs do you have scores in , and what are the scores? List the rest of the APs you are taking this year or have planned for next year.
Wesleyan’s does too:
Wesleyan University - Net Price Calculator (studentaidcalculator.com)
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I meant I have done all the science and math ones; and 2 humanities as well. doing some 3 humanities this year
I have taken the hardest classes+ never skipped on any AP’s… a few of my ap’s are self studied as well
so I will tell you this year’s college results for my school:
-someone got in cornell ed
-one person got into upenn & committing
-umich
-many(actually not many, but quite a few) people got into uc’s + nyu, gatech- did not get much aid so will not go
-a few who can afford uc berkely full price are going
-one person to rice
-most people are going to state university
also UPDATE- got into MIT BWSI summer program and will attend! how much will this help my chances?
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Ok, considering you have done the hardest classes/APs (self studying APs does not likely benefit at all, by the way) , you are VAL, your scores are in range, you have some above average ECs and awards, and your school has roughly 7-10 get into top 20s, I think you have an above-average chance, so maybe 8-10% for ivies and the like (“average” chance is 3-5% at these places), probably max due to the competitive pool as well as the Dreamer status. Best of luck to you!
Top Ivies will be hard but T20s are very doable. For T20ish schools
Highest end of possible colleges(5-15% Chance)- Duke, UPenn, Dartmouth, Brown
Slightly more likely(15-25%)- Cornell, Northwestern, Vanderbilt
Reasonable(25-40% chance)- WashU, Emory, Georgetown, UMich, Notre Dame, UVA, Georgia Tech
All in all I think that if you ED1 a place like Cornell,Northwestern, or Duke and then ED2 a place like WashU, Emory, Vanderbilt
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I’m sorry - but seeing this year’s admission cycle for high stat applicants, those predictions are way too optimistic.
And remember that OP is applying as an international.
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so how do you think my chances are at rice and harvey mudd? I really like these two places…