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<p>Beware of some firms where if you don’t pass it the first time, your job might be the next to get cut… Pressure is <em>way high</em> at my firm to kick the test’s rear during your first at-bat. $1500 bonus if you win, firm-wide humiliation if you lose!</p>
<p>I’m a B.S.E.E.T student.</p>
<p>I just want to say at the college I’m in I have to take:</p>
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<li>Applied Calculus 1</li>
<li>Applied Calculus 2</li>
<li>Advanced Engineering Mathematics 1 // because I will be getting a MSEE later</li>
<li>Advanced Engineering Mathematics 2 // because I will be getting a MSEE later</li>
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<p>All EET students have to take
<p>Some ET programs doe have hard math and physics.</p>
<p>A traditional engineering degree requires calc 1, 2, 3, and differential equations. Applied calculus is not the same as the calculus that engineering majors are required to take.</p>
<p>Not sure how you can take advanced engineering math without diff eq either.</p>
<p>Business students have to take applied calculus at most universities. It is not the “hard math”. </p>
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<p>Are you sure? I have never encountered an EE program that would accept a technology undergrad. The simple fact is that a technology program is not an engineering program, and a technology student would not be equipped to succeed in an engineering graduate program…</p>
<p>Yes am sure. The University of Kentucky and the University of Louisville will take a EET. But it has to be TAC/ABET and you have to have two level of calculus base physics. I know 4 people doing this right now.</p>
<p>The Advanced Engineering Mathematics 1&2 are the same as calculus 3 &4.</p>
<p>If you look at their websites, Louisville offers two Master’s degrees in EE: one to people with BSEE degrees (M.Eng) and one to people without BSEE degrees (MS). So you’re getting a professional degree for non-engineers.</p>
<p>Kentucky makes you take remedial courses to satisfy the undergraduate requirements of a BSEE. </p>
<p>So, with either case, why? Why not just get a BSEE and go from there? Not getting a BSEE limits your options (both in terms of the type of degree and limits you to low tier graduate school) and apparently adds time to any subsequent degree. It makes no sense…</p>
<p>I’m not saying I don’t believe you buster but I don’t think advanced engineering mathematics is the same calc 3 and 4. I have a BS in mechanical engineering from a large university and I have taken an advanced engineering math course. I can tell you that advanced engineering math courses usually involve Fourier series, Fourier transforms, PDEs, boundary value problems, etc… and are usually taken by traditional undergraduate/graduate engineering students.</p>
<p>Calc 3 and 4 are usually taken in the first or second year of a traditional engineering program.</p>
<p>I have to agree with G.P. Burdell. I don’t see how one could possibly have the necessary skills to take courses in an engineering graduate program without the background obtained from a traditional undergraduate engineering degree. A technology degree does not include many very fundamental engineering courses.</p>
<p>ME 76, I see what you are saying.</p>
<p>I just know that all my EET classes are calculus base and I have to use calculus every day in my classes.</p>
<p>I would go for the BSEE but I’m 55% doing with the EET right now.</p>
<p>The thing I do not get is. People are saying EET do not do design work. But I know people with a BS EET and BS MET that do design work. But they do work under a PE engineer.</p>
<p>And most of us have direct field experience and can tell you that, generally, technicians and engineers perform different jobs.</p>
<p>It’s like comparing a pharmacist and a surgeon. Sure they both work in medicine, but they get different training and have different qualifications. A pharmacist can’t apply for a residency to perform surgeries without first going to medical school and learning about surgery. So if your goal is to be a surgeon, why would you go to pharmacy school first? </p>
<p>Theoretically pharmacists and surgeons can work in the same company under the same role, but practically, that makes no sense. You would hire a pharmacist to deal with the sale, distribution, and interactions of medicines, and you would hire a surgeon to understand the fundamentals of the body, trouble shoot problems, and correct defects to improve performance.</p>
<p>I’m a senior in CS, and I think that the xEng vs xET debate is similar to the CS/SE vs IT/IS debate.</p>
<p>This probably makes me sort of a bad person, but I can’t help but think that an IT/IS degree is somehow not as worthwhile an endeavour as CS/SE. Do they learn how to program? Sure. Do they learn more useful languages? Probably. Do they know twice as many technologies as CS/SE majors when they graduate? Why not.</p>
<p>There’s a big difference between being useful at a low level now and being useful at a high level now and in the future. I tend to think the more theoretical a degree, the better a preparation it is for the long run… not just between ET and Eng., but even compared to sciences and math. I think that Eng. is a happy medium… good prospects now, and good prospects later. ET smacks of glorified trade school, whereas hard sciences and math… well, that’s when you’ve got to start asking yourself about the opportunity cost of the thing.</p>
<p>I know that an technicians and engineers perform different jobs. I also know that atechnicians and technologist perform different jobs.</p>
<p>Also in Texas and about 10 other states. That people with an B.S. X.E.T. (x =, E,C or m)
Can take the FE and PE exam.</p>
<p>And if people with BSEET do not design things. Why do I have to design circuits for power electronics, RF and so on for in my classes?</p>
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<p>Not in the vast majority of companies. Also consider that Engineering Technology degrees are fairly limited geographically. In Houston, a company probably understands the difference and might hire you. In New Jersey, they probably don’t understand the difference and will only hire an engineer.</p>
<p>The reason is that engineering schools in Texas generally offer both technology and engineering degrees, so companies are familiar with both. Outside of a few areas (most notably Texas), technology degrees are generally only offered in for-profit schools that pretend to be engineering programs (e.g. DeVry), so Engineering Technology degrees are either unknown to people or are viewed in a very negative light.</p>
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<p>In Texas, you need an EAC/ABET (engineering) to take the P&P Exam and obtain a PE license. </p>
<p>What you’re referring to are two clauses that many states have in PE prep:</p>
<p>1) In Texas, and in many states, you can apply for a license with enough work experience (even if you have no engineering education). In Texas, I believe that is 11 years of relevant work experience.</p>
<p>2) In Texas, and in many states, you can apply for licensure with a technical degree (science, technology, etc) if you have a second bachelor’s degree in an approved field, as well (usually engineering, applied physics, or math). This gives an alternative to students that attend schools without traditional engineering programs.</p>
<p>So in summary, a Technology degree does not qualify you for licensure any more than a degree in chemistry or physics.</p>
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<p>You have to understand what the engineers are doing so you can assist them. It’s the same reason nurses take anatomy.</p>
<p>I think this might go better if I point out that I’m not trying to put down or “dis” (as you kids would say) Technology degrees. They serve a purpose, and I appreciate that. The issue I’m trying to make is that a technology degree is not an engineering degree, and as sooner you realize that, the better off you are.</p>
<p>What you need to consider is why someone, who could easily hire from an engineering program or a technology program would hire you from a technology program (or conversely, if they could hire a BSEE + M.Eng, why would they hire a BSET + MS?). If your answer is “because I’m pretty much an engineer”, you’re going to have a hard time seeking employment. If you understand the differences and advantages of each, you can place yourself better. </p>
<p>In addition, you have to accept that a BSET education does not qualify you to be an electrical engineer. It’s a different degree with a different education. Even if someone hires you to be an engineer by mistake (or misunderstanding), you’re not going to be able to succeed as an engineer, and that puts you in a very bad position. </p>
<p>Think about it this way: let’s say I decide to be a pilot. Rather than going to Embry Riddle for a license in large commercial planes, I go to a local flight school and learn how to fly single engine Cessnas. That’s fine, and I would probably do well working for a company flying single engine Cessnas. Now what would happen if I went to Continental and applied for a job flying 777’s (let’s ignore that you need a different privilege and rating to fly these aircraft)? First of all, they probably wouldn’t hire me. But let’s say they did. Hopefully I’d fail some qualification exam and be fired. But let’s say they didn’t test me before putting me in the field. In the cockpit of the 777, I’d quickly realize that, although I know the basics of flight, I don’t know enough to fly this plane and this is going to be a bad situation. Hopefully, there’s someone else in the cockpit so I don’t crash the plane, but regardless, I’ll probably ruin my reputation, I’ll be fired, and I’ll lose my pilot’s license.</p>
<p>The sooner I realize that I’m qualified to fly single engine Cessnas, the better off I will be.</p>
<p>It seem that more State Universities are starting to have B.S.E.E.T programs now. These are just a few. All are TAC/ABET</p>
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<li>Virginia State University</li>
<li>Old Dominion University ,VA</li>
<li>East Tennessee State University </li>
<li>Northern Kentucky University ,KY</li>
<li>Alabama A&M University</li>
<li>Arizona State University - East ,AZ</li>
<li>University of Arkansas at Little Rock ,AR</li>
<li>California State Polytechnic University, Pomona ,CA</li>
<li>Florida A & M University ,FL</li>
<li>University of Central Florida ,FL</li>
<li>University of Massachusetts Lowell ,MA</li>
<li>Wayne State University ,MI
13 Fairleigh Dickinson University (Metropolitan Campus) ,NJ</li>
<li>New Jersey Institute of Technology ,NJ,</li>
<li>New Mexico State University ,NM</li>
<li>State University of New York at Canton ,NY</li>
<li>University of North Carolina at Charlotte ,NC</li>
<li>Western Washington University ,WA</li>
<li>Northern Illinois University ,IL</li>
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<p>Most of the people I know that have a B.S.E.E.T are working as test engineers at Lock Heed or TI. Some of they also got their background from the U.S.A.F.</p>
<p>I’m looking to do more work around applied design and not something like designing a new CPU. To me it’s more fun to take something like a ARM CPU and make it do something.</p>
<p>It’s funny we have this many pages debating this but I still want 1 person to link a job posting for an engineering technologist. Im not saying none exist but most companies hire engineers and hire grads with either degree and in many cases will take people with any type of science based degree. </p>
<p>The more I hear people arguing about this the more it seems like elitists trying to elevate a pure engineering degree above ET and that’s fine if that makes you feel better.</p>
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@aarons914, Am sorry I was thinking you where saying there is no jobs for EET.</p>
<p>Go to
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<p>And look for 100659BR</p>
<p>Required skills BSEE or BSEET from an accredited college in a related discipline, or equivalent experience/combined education, Demonstrated Performer
Obtain/Maintain Secret Clearance</p>
<p>The company I used to work had engineering tech positions. Engineers are exempt employees and are not allowed to use tools. Eng tech are union (other companies may be non-union) and are hands on. Avg, they make a little over half the salary of an engineer. They are basically more technical qualified and has take a few college level classes like physics and calc. They are usually more experienced and the lead technician. They have some understand of enginnering concepts and are able to do simple & routine engineering tasks (i.e. non-pressurized small bore piping design). The more experienced one are very good on what they do. In general, they are better with solving problems based experience rather than diagnose skills.</p>
<p>most engineering tech have a A.S degree and not a B.S.E.E.T degree.</p>
<p>Like I said before. I have do 22 credit hours in math and 10 in calculus base physics. I have also done college chemistry 1 and 2.</p>
<p>I have take to 10 P.E</p>
<p>They all tell me the something. That EE do more complex design, and that EET do less complex design work and help the EE setup tests to test the designs.</p>
<p>aarons914, you are the one trying to elevate an EET degree to a level comparable to a pure engineering degree, not the other way around. Your claim is that there are no separate job postings for technologists and that a company will classify an EET the same as an EE.</p>
<p>You are mistaken. I can show you thouands of job postings that require a pure engineering degree and not a technology degree. I assure you that for many engineering positions, a technology degree is not sufficient. It is like engineering technology majors on this forum think that just because their major has the word engineering in it, they are automatically qualified as engineers.</p>
<p>But hey, you can call yourself whatever you want if it makes you feel better.</p>
<p>@ME 7,</p>
<p>I hate to be the one to tell you this. I now people who are workings as RF engineers design RF circuits that do not have a degree at all. The only training they have is from the USAF and not from a engineering degree.</p>
<p>So you are about 90% right with what you are saying.</p>
<p>And I did not say I was going to be a engineer. Just that I would be getting a MSEE down the road.</p>
<p>Today I talked to one of the head of the MSECE at Purdue. He said the they do let EET into the MSECE program but that you have to take about 5-6 classes first.</p>