<p>accepted to BU SMG
accepted to NeU CBA
accepted to Babson College
accepted to Bentley College</p>
<p>I have a strong interest in business Management and Leadership.
would greatly appreciate some comments/insights on these four colleges. </p>
<p>I am looking for ideas on:</p>
<p>prestige, social life, academic program, overall better choice…?</p>
<p>social life would be the best at NEU or BU, hands down. Can’t really speak knowledgeably about the rest. I just really feel like you’re going to get way more opportunity professionally and socially if you’re located in the city. Wellesley in Waltham are both a trek without a car.</p>
<p>From what I know of Babson, there isn’t much in the way of social life. Bentley has almost no local profile at all and I don’t know anyone who goes there but it’s somewhere around Waltham, which is sort of a desert (though there are some good restaurants). I know people who went to Babson and I give a lot of credit to the last administration (or two) for dramatically raising the school’s profile.</p>
<p>Northeastern’s best known program is business and it’s comparable to SMG. (BTW, without looking it up on the Northeastern forum, I’ll bet that if the poster asks the question there he’ll get nearly unadulterated boosterism - and I’m expecting the Northeastern people will jump in here because that’s been happening a lot lately. That’s what happens when you’re trying to prove you belong in the conversation. Northeastern has come a long way from being a commuter school with vast numbers of part-time students. They’ve reduced enrollment by cutting that out and have built a lot of campus. They’ve also made the co-op program, which used to be more of a way to pay for college over time, into a positive in this obsessive culture where the slightest differences are hyped as being significant. Northeastern, however, is still a much more local school - over a third - and so thus has a ways to go, since the other private schools - not just BU - are around 20% local. </p>
<p>But enough preemptive discussion, there is a real difference in the programs. BU’s program is more like Yale’s School of Management - thus the name - while Northeastern’s more of a traditional business college (and if you go for 5 years, with more co-op added in). Many kids don’t realize there are different kinds of business schools. If you look through the list of courses, you see a big difference in philosophy. [Here’s</a> a link to the base SMG curriculum](<a href=“Sabiha Moonmoon - Boston University Questrom”>http://management.bu.edu/upo/academics/curriculum.html) - which you can see is management-oriented with teams and a specific approach to learning aimed at management. The Northeastern info is mostly in the FAQ section of the CBA site. </p>
<p>You should look at the kind of program you want.</p>
<p>Yale doesn’t have a undergrad business school. They have an MBA program…</p>
<p>[The</a> Top Undergraduate Business Programs](<a href=“http://bwnt.businessweek.com/interactive_reports/undergrad_bschool_2009/]The”>http://bwnt.businessweek.com/interactive_reports/undergrad_bschool_2009/)</p>
<p>Take rankings for what they are worth. not much.</p>
<p>I attend Northeastern. A lot kind of depends on what type of program you are looking for. I know we have a great international business program and are one of the best for entrepreneurship. BU is great for management type of things, hotel management, and advertising. Also Northeasterns freshman class is 21% from MA and 11% international, about the same as BU’s. If you have any questions feel free to PM me</p>
<p>I knew you’d show! 
Hotel management is a separate school at BU. Advertising is in another school at BU. And according to the current facts on the Northeastern website - which has newer data than the website I used - the percentage of MA residents in the freshman class (of I assume last year) was 31.44% - just divide 919 MA residents by 2923 enrolled freshmen. If you’re talking about the business school, BU doesn’t release SMG’s breakdown but it is less MA residents than the overall school so again the comparison isn’t correct.</p>
<p>The real point, again, is which kind of program you want. I always say that: check my posts. The Northeastern people point to rankings as though they’re a magic talisman which you can wear around your neck. They’re not. I have no stake in where you go to school. I have no idea why they care so much about convincing you to go there because it’s your life. You make your own future. </p>
<p>And IvyGrad, I went to Yale. I’ve been involved with Yale for over 30 years. I know what SOM is and, believe me, the curriculum is closer to what BU teaches. Everyone - I hope - knows that Yale doesn’t have any, any, any undergrad pre-professional schools. It’s a liberal arts college - Yale College - and is part of Yale University. Yale College doesn’t even have a business or management major. The closest you get is econ.</p>
<p>Lerg,</p>
<p>This is where I disagree with you. Im looking at MBA programs for next year. Yale is outside the M7 and are arguably outside the top 15 as well. The Yale program attracts non profit NGO type professionals. They absolutely adore Teach for america/City Year/ICC/Peace corp types. With that said their program is designed more so for sustainability and social enterprise management. This is not the case for BU. Do you know what your talking about? I believe in 2006 they changed their whole first year curriculum but generally this is what they have been known for. Not to mention the student profiles couldn’t be more different. May i ask what you majored in at Yale?</p>
<p>thanks to all for the input…
please feel free to post more ideas on the main differences between these four undergraduate possibilities. I am an international student from Paris, France.</p>
<p>vous etes francais?! mais pourquoi tu veux partir la plus belle ville dans la monde?! moi, je suis une citizenne aussi parce que mon pere est francais (il avait habite dans le 17eme arrondisment sur l’avenue des ternes). vraiment interessante, il y a une maison francais a l’universite de boston qui est la plus belle et meilleur (brownstone)!! les chambres sont incroyable si tu veux habite la bas. </p>
<p>haha sorry my french is so terrible, i can speak it and read it pretty well, but i CANNOT spell or do the subjonctif, conditional, etc., leading me to try to keep to the past, present, and future hahahah. but there are lots of french students in boston (i hear them speaking french almost every day!) and you would probably feel right at home at BU because everyone is so culturally diverse. but as i’ve suggested to all students in your position, post this thread in the other schools’ forums that you’re interested in, because most of us, like me, only know about BU and are also totally biased towards it.</p>
<p>Student profiles for MBA programs don’t look much like undergrad, but to address your more substantive comments, the similarity to BU is in the team approach and what I think is a very modern, very similar to SOM philosophy that BU describes as “fusing the art, science and technology of business.” So, for example, they look at the limitations of measurement systems, how change works across organizations, what is effective leadership, etc. (Northeastern, by comparison, is more a traditional business education.) These concepts are similar to what SOM delves into at a graduate - and thus different - level. </p>
<p>I think SOM has been through a dozen minor and several major overhauls. God knows, it fit uncomfortably in the larger university for many years. I suppose Yale may have more interest than some in sustainability, etc. but the core at SOM is “organizational perspectives” in which they’ve essentially relabeled the traditional roles within an organization so they can talk about them pedagogically without as much old baggage. </p>
<p>In other words, the BU SMG program is more like SOM than traditional business education. BU differs, I gather, by focusing more - at the grad level particularly - on information systems and offers a combined masters in info systems / business admin. </p>
<p>When I went to Yale, the best departments were English and History, so I majored in those. Science generally sucked until they put huge resources into it. Econ then was at a weird point where math had not yet taken over. This was a long time ago.</p>
<p>Lerg, </p>
<p>Interesting…well I recieved my AB from P’ton in economics in addition to a finance certificate from Bendheim. I’ve done extensive research on the top 15 and other programs and i can assure you the team atmosphere is omnipresent at any MBA program. All mba program want students to cultivate leadership skills and the other aspects that you mentioned. With that said Yale’s MBA program is light years ahead of BU’s and the two programs are different in many ways and arent even comparable. I was also comparing BU and Yale MBA students and the backgrounds are VERY different.</p>
<p>I’m glad for you but you seem to think I’m saying things I wasn’t, since I wasn’t talking about MBA’s but was using SOM to illustrate a point about BU’s undergrad SMG. Is that completely clear?</p>
<p>And why are you posting on the BU board?</p>
<p>I’m from boston and have many friends and relatives who attended or attend boston schools so i “■■■■■” around for my own interst. the orginial post was asking for perspective on Undergrad bschools and it’s odd how you would compare an MBA program to an undergrad program. You also mention that you weren’t talking about MBA’s but yet you compare Yales SOM (Which is an MBA program) to illustrate BU’s undergrad SMG. Anyone who attended Yale would know the clear distinction of Yales SOM program as an MBA and its strong affiliation with social enterprise. Im not trying to put you down here Lerg, im just setting the facts straight. The philosophy spew is nonsense and there is a clear difference between the two programs. This is the point I wanted to get across. I still can’t grasp why you would compare an MBA to a undergrad business degree. For example there are clear differences between Wharton MBA vs Wharton UG</p>
<p>Are you trying to gain some knowledge from an answer to why I chose this metaphor? If there is and if you can phrase what that is, I’ll try to provide it. </p>
<p>Do you want to know why I chose that metaphor? </p>
<p>You keep pointing out things about MBA programs - like they all use teams, etc. - when the comparison I was making is whether undergrad business programs do that and the degree to which that is integrated as a philosophy into the curriculum. I’ve clarified that point now like 3 times but you harp on the obvious, that SOM is not SMG. Well, duh. If I say, “That guy is as big as a mountain,” I’m not saying he’s actually a mountain. Perhaps the issue is that you didn’t go to an undergrad business program so you don’t know how they differ. (Or maybe you’re a quant and need me to state this as a regression. :))</p>
<p>I was kind of thrown off by your use of the words “philosophy spew is nonsense” not only because my metaphor was explicitly about philosophy but because education in general is about philosophy. Different schools not only have differing philosophies, they trumpet those differences and use them to market themselves. </p>
<p>This is obvious in graduate business programs: Harvard’s case method, SOM’s “organizational perspectives” in its “integrated curriculum,” Sloan’s use of the phrase “visionary pragmatists,” etc. You may consider this all to be “spew” but the schools spend a hell of a lot of time thinking and talking and planning based on how they understand and then articulate their specific “spew.”</p>
<p>Undergrad - note the word - business schools also have philosophies. Maybe you’re unfamiliar with undergrad business but SMG has an articulated philosophy. Babson talks about entrepreneurship. Northeastern’s philosophy is rooted in the co-op. If I knew anything about Bentley, I’d know it’s philosophy too. (Looked it up: “a new kind of business leader.”)</p>
<p>Now, if you’re going to illustrate the difference between the undergrad business school philosophy of say BU and Northeastern, you have a number of valid options. You could, for example, recite the mission statements. You could pick a program that has similarities and point at the similarities. You could pick substantially different programs to highlight what one is not. I could list more options, but the point is that each of these is a valid method - and the three above could be described as “here is what each is, here is what this is like, here is what this is not like” or “descriptive, metaphorically same, metaphorically different” or, in essence, how inquiry works.</p>
<p>In specifics, it would make no sense to draw this particular illustration to Wharton because it doesn’t fit in any way at all. Wharton’s philosophy is straight-forward: we’ve been here forever, we’re big and powerful, we’re great. Sloan also wouldn’t work because their concept is that MIT is engineers and we’re from that DNA so we have the pragmatism of engineering but we’re also seers and thus are “visionary pragmatists.” No comparison in philosophy at all. Harvard doesn’t work because they’re case study - and proprietary ones at that - and no one outside of Harvard really knows what the heck that means. SOM? Well, SOM talks about “organizational principles” and “integrated curriculum” in words that sound similar to the words used by SMG. </p>
<p>[Spoiler Alert - scroll down]</p>
<p>I chose this metaphor because I spoke recently with an old friend who teaches at SOM and the school was in my mind.</p>
<p>Lerg,</p>
<p>Are you really trying to spin this off that you were speaking in terms of a philosophical viewpoint? The high school student was asking for tangible evidence. The only problem that I had with your statement was "BU’s program is more like Yale’s School of Management’ this perception is completely false because the programs are completely different. I know Columbia is integrating the case method to their MBA program should I compare this to Harvard? Also you cannot compare an MBA to an undergrad program hence Wharton MBA Vs Wharton UG. Sure the ENTIRE school might share the same “Philosophical” view but the curriculum is completely different. I’m only trying to state facts. Lerg, did you really double major in english and history? because I could’ve sworn that Yale had a single major policy within the same school. Maybe they changed, but i’ll look into it for my own interest.</p>
<p>Look, giving you the benefit of the doubt - meaning that you actually did graduate from Princeton and aren’t a child of about 16 - are you a maths person with limited non-science skills? If you’re looking at MBA programs, I’d suggest a place like Wharton where you can concentrate on numbers because you appear lacking in the human and reading comprehension element that management training requires. You think linearly.</p>
<p>Why are you giving me the benefit of the doubt? the OP asked for concrete evidence and your offering BS philosophical spew? Please spare me… High school students come here for advice. It’s misleading to inundate them with garbage. Please be cognizant of fact and fiction and make yourself useful and provide truthful and logical advice. Also the OP wanted undergrad information, why are suggesting an MBA such as Wharton for me? Trust me i’ve done my due diligence on MBA programs and I don’t need your prospective. Your background also suffers from inconsistencies. You cannot double major within the same college at Yale. Which makes it impossible that you double majored in english and history. Did you really attend Yale Lerg??? I doubt it.</p>
<p>When I smell Bull ***** i like to call people out. Please going forward don’t mislead.</p>
<p>You want truthful and logical advice? Here’s some: grow up. You’re immature. Now go away. Leave the forum to people who actually have something to talk about. You’re a sideshow.</p>
<p>This conversation is over, except that I’ll have a laugh about it at my 30th reunion in New Haven.</p>
<p>LOL you are hilarious because you did NOT go to YALE. You said you double majored which is IMPOSSIBLE because you can’t double major in the same college. I also find it funny how you support BU and Umass boards when your primary affiliation is with YALE??? what’s going on here LERG???..i know your not from an IVY because your attention to detail is horrible. I’m 24 and your what 50-55? your here lying about Yale and offering BULL **** Advice? Grow up Lerg.</p>
<p>Great question that caught my attention - ridiculous replies. Btw, Ivygrad2007, I get it that grammar and spelling aren’t that important on forums BUT c’mon, for an ivy education, did you not learn the difference between “your” and “you’re”, “to” and “too”, etc? Students come here for advice and help, not to see you attack users who don’t happen to agree with you…</p>