<p>Probably the most idiotic thread I've ever read on CC. </p>
<p>It's all relative guys.</p>
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It's all relative guys.
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Isn't that what this thread is saying?</p>
<p>Yeah, sorry, I wasn't too specific, just really mad at specific comments some users are making. That people can make general statements such as engineering students are smarter than business students really amazes me. According to this, the 200K I'm spending on a business education pales in comparison to what I could be learning at a state engineering school. Idk, I have trouble with this.</p>
<p>Not sure if this was mentioned or not, didn't read every post, but I think (only my opinion) that it is almost entirely based on what school you go to. Top business schools are rigorous, as are top engineering schools. This could also be my school specifically, but getting a 3.5+ is no simple task. 20-30% As, 40-50% Bs, 20-30% Cs. For business majors, how competitive and bright you are directly correlates to your GPA. I can say with confidence that this is the same case for engineering students.</p>
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Yeah, sorry, I wasn't too specific, just really mad at specific comments some users are making. That people can make general statements such as engineering students are smarter than business students really amazes me. According to this, the 200K I'm spending on a business education pales in comparison to what I could be learning at a state engineering school. Idk, I have trouble with this.
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I'm not sure anyone said that all engineering students are smarter than all business students. However, averages certainly are telling. Engineering programs are generally the most difficult programs at a college and also have the highest dropout rates. Seems pretty simple to say that the average 'smarts' of someone who gets an engineering diploma is going to be substantially higher than one who gets a business diploma.</p>
<p>Spending 200K for an education probably is too much, independent of where you go or what you study.</p>
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Not sure if this was mentioned or not, didn't read every post, but I think (only my opinion) that it is almost entirely based on what school you go to. Top business schools are rigorous, as are top engineering schools. This could also be my school specifically, but getting a 3.5+ is no simple task. 20-30% As, 40-50% Bs, 20-30% Cs. For business majors, how competitive and bright you are directly correlates to your GPA. I can say with confidence that this is the same case for engineering students.
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Am I supposed to be impressed by that curve? It looks generous.</p>
<p>I'm not saying be impressed by it, just do the math. The average is about a 3.0 at my school. Not horrible, but not exactly what I'd call generous.
"Seems pretty simple to say that the average 'smarts' of someone who gets an engineering diploma is going to be substantially higher than one who gets a business diploma."
You cannot generalize this. Once again, it depends on the school.</p>
<p>You are basically say you agree with me. The number of difficult engineering programs is dwarfed the number of difficult engineering programs. Likewise, even a lower tier engineering program is pretty dang hard - where with business its certifiably easy. Comparing Stern/Wharton to Arkansas State isn't very convincing (compare it to Cal, Cal Tech, MIT, Harvey Mudd).</p>
<p>Agreed. I guess it would be safe to say that engineering programs at MIT and Cornell would have a greater courseload than that of Stern or Michigan. Still, no top tier business program is easy. My school sure as hell isn't. But yeah, who knows, if I was in an engineering school I may have dropped out :P.</p>
<p>the school really doesn't matter the weakest accredited engineering program is still all the same material as the highest one. Just so happens that they are tougher at the higher end school to suit the needs of students who may be better.</p>
<p>The fact is the material is the same, somebody at a 300 ranked abet school still learns everything a #1 MIT student learns, just not as in depth and the problems assigned at harder. </p>
<p>Engineering is a job that is filled with people who went to state and lower end private schools. These people struggled and earned there degrees. The majority if not all that become practicing engineers go to lower end schools. The ones that go to top schools usually do research or something other than engineering practice.</p>
<p>The fact is the lowest end engineering school is still harder to earn a degree in, compared to a Wharton or stern. I can guarantee that.</p>
<p>Good luck with that guarentee.</p>
<p>no luck involved. If you don't agree you are ignorant and in denial. Engineering is tough at the lowest level and it just gets worse, that tough far exceeds anything business can deliver.</p>
<p>no, blanket, that's ignorant</p>
<p>I can't agree with those statements. The average Wharton student would most likely earn a higher GPA at many lower ranked engineering schools than at Wharton (given the same effort).</p>
<p>"The average Wharton student would most likely earn a higher GPA at many lower ranked engineering schools than at Wharton (given the same effort)."</p>
<p>They key words here are "average" and "most likely." Different people are better at different things. I have a friend who is majoring in math, not because he likes it, but because it is so ****in easy for him. He is naturally good at math so he aces all of those classes (without studying a bit), but gets Bs in intro level philosophy classes, and such. If you put him in a math class at MIT he would most likely ace it, put him in a business class at a mediocre school, and I def. wouldn't feel as confident. </p>
<p>Btw, I am not a business major, completely unbias.</p>
<p>Since Vinny wants to stray off topic and discuss how much effort people put into engineering degree, the same can be said about accounting regardless of difficulty. Besides understanding the language of Accounting, theres a crap load to memorize as well. Memorizing accounting concepts take a lot of time and discipline. You'd be lying to yourself if you think Accounting majors do not study insane amounts. I study at least 8-10 hours for Accounting classes, roughly 20 hours for Intermediate Accounting I&II. For regular electives, I only need 5 hours. Then again, I have a 3.7+ Cum GPA and a 3.8 Major GPA . If you really study harder than I do, props to you (Top 20 Accounting, not even top 5 school). But I can honestly tell you, that I'm busting my balls off.</p>
<p>"I study at least 8-10 hours for Accounting classes, roughly 20 hours for Intermediate Accounting I&II."</p>
<p>is that per week, or what? because if so: So ****ing what? That isn't that much study time at all. The fact that you have a 3.8 gpa and spend that little time studing shows his point</p>
<p>I spend 8-10 hours for 2 days before each test, and 20 hours for intermediate accounting I &II for a 3.8 GPA in my major, thats not a lot? Tell me whats a lot buddy. Don't give me that *****<strong><em>. This does not even factor in the time for homework problems before the test date. Keep *</em></strong>ing dreaming as if that not a lot of study time. Because Big Four obviously thinks it is, otherwise I wouldn't be making 24 an hour with overtime, and I'm 21 how about you?</p>
<p>So, you spend 4 hours a day for 2 days before a test and you expect people to be amazed by that? LOL, sorry, but that is a ****ing joke. I never said that business majors are weak and stupid, but if you think you're going to compare that study time with what is required for most engineering/math/physics majors then you certainly are a poor representative for business majors not being weak/stupid. Now, I know better than to say that the more time your major requires you to study the smarter you are, but you seriously need to open your eyes if you think that your study time is impressive.</p>
<p>BTW, grats on making $24 dollars an hour; thing is, I don't think anyone here is doubting that accountants are in a high demand. Thing is, that demand is not because accountants are that smart, it's because of the laws that ****ing require them.</p>
<p>dude in a given day I spend about 12-14hours studying. i spend around 14-18 hours a day studying on the weekend. You are a joke.</p>
<p>BTW Im 21 and currently do not work, though when not in school and when i was in HS to current I worked in IT at merrill lynch. I still do during the summers and will this upcoming winter break. I made $21.75/hr and I started this when I was 17. I may be a engineering major but am clearly skilled in stocks and bonds/ mutual funds as I don't need to work and make some really good money doing this. Im just a average joe in the business sense.</p>
<p>Come on. Get real. If you seriously spend 18 hours a day studying, that must be a pretty sad life. Studying less for the same grade is better than studying more. The most commendable people are those who ace exams without studying much.</p>
<p>Vinny, I think you should just cut it out with your exaggerations. </p>
<p>With that said, I don't think 10 hours or even 20 hours before a test is too much. For technical classes in engineering, that's about normal.</p>