Business Majors...

<p>Steevee, you're over-simplifying the issue.</p>

<p>I was responding to the assertion that liberal arts majors shouldn't have an opinion here because business majors are going to be making more. My point was that there is more than money involved in deciding what to do for a living - NOT that money is a moot point.</p>

<p>The option isn't between making a lot of money as a business major and making none as a humanities major. I'm surprised I have to explain this. You can usually make a reasonably comfortable living doing what you love (like teaching) even if you could make more money being a banker. Some people are fine with an average lifestyle - to suggest that making less money than a business person is to be completely broke with only 1k saved up is an absurd overstatement. </p>

<p>Seriously, everyone needs to stop making this into such a ridiculous argument and using massive generalizations against "the other side."</p>

<p>you guys still don't get it. A "Business" degree is not required to be in business. </p>

<p>Actually, a business admin degree from state is looked down upon by most prestigious place. </p>

<p>Harvard has no business undergrad.
Yale has no business undergrad.
Princeton has no business undergrad.
Williams has no business undergrad.
Dartmouth has no business undergrad.
Duke has no business undergrad.</p>

<p>^Are grads from these schools not successful? Go to Wall Street and tell me.</p>

<p>Oh yeah, Standford has no undergrad business. Yet they seem to produce tons of successful venture capitalists and entrepreneurs.
Wait, maybe it's because these undergrad kids actually learned how to do something. Like, you know, invent a new search technology, or maybe invent a new source of alternative energy. And yet they never took courses in "how to manage" and "organizational behavior"</p>

<p>wutang you are right, the women are definitely better looking. try taking physics or upper division chemistry... for some reason the babes aren't around lol</p>

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Oh yeah, Standford has no undergrad business. Yet they seem to produce tons of successful venture capitalists and entrepreneurs.

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<p>wutang, learn how to spell "Stanford" and brush up on your grammar before you spew your incoherent crap all over this board. Seriously. No one wants to clean up your mess. </p>

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Wait, maybe it's because these undergrad kids actually learned how to do something. Like, you know, invent a new search technology, or maybe invent a new source of alternative energy.

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<p>By far the best sentences I've ever read on CC. "Standford" kids don't "learned" how to invent a "new search technology" and a "new source of alternative energy." What are you babbling about?</p>

<p>Hm, and you wonder why McGill isn't respected outside of Canada, eh?</p>

<p>Personally, I think its stupid to judge anyone based on their major. Judge them how they act, but you have to realize I'm a science major and I have plenty of friends who are.. most of them go to the bars and parties and have friends who are all different majors and don't think anything of it. The ones who DO care are the losers who haven't seen a girl outside of the computer.</p>

<p>aworldapart- so you're responding to what you claim to be a reductionist, hollow argument with another reductionist, hollow argument supplemented with ad-hominem attacks?</p>

<p>Let me guess, you're a business major?</p>

<p>I never claimed anything. I just said he needs to be more coherent. </p>

<p>I am, in fact, not a business major. Good try, though.</p>

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<p>typical specious reasoning from yet another shallow business student...</p>

<p>I have also noticed this phenomenon whenever I tell my teachers I am studying business. Once they hear the degree is from Wharton, however, they typically have a change of heart ;). Seriously, though, I don't see any problem with majoring in the field you are most passionate about, whether that be philosophy or finance. Just take a wide breadth of courses beyond your major to expand your horizons. I just couldn't see myself anywhere but in business. Finance isn't exactly the easiest major in the world, either.</p>

<p>Oh please, "successful" surgeons make a lot less compared to "successful" businesspeople. Once you go through the long hell that is medical school living poorly and racking up debt (unless your parents are wealthy), you can usually hope to make up to 200-400K as a good surgeon (not including general practitioners who make less). Granted, the median businessperson does not make this much, there is much more VARIABILITY in that businesspeople can make an uncapped amount of money, usually 200K+ for CEOs, sometimes millions per year. To make millions, a surgeon would have to open his own practice, BECOME a businessperson, and be extremely successful. It's a matter of earning potential.</p>

<p>That said, I agree that business programs across the US are inundated with people who wouldn't be considered "high intellectual caliber," and very easily get their degrees from any source that will accept a payment. But, these are the graduates who are going to be in the bottom, say, 50th percentile of salary earnings unless they truly are brilliant or catch a huge break. The students who graduate from top schools, however, have an edge due to overall rigor of the school, past academic preparation, internship access, etc. While these "top" students can expect to get 50-75K (150 if you get into a crazy i-banking job) straight out of college, there's potential for tremendous growth if you're good. </p>

<p>Surgeons, once they have completed their education and barring any major screwup or job change, can safely expect nice six-figure salaries because of sheer skill and scarcity of surgeons. Business is less secure and overpopulated (someone has to fill those cubicles and lower management jobs), but has a higher range of salaries for those who stand out and climb the ladder.</p>

<p>I personally consider myself "intellectual" but am passionate about and plan to major in business. I guess I am one of the ones who doesn't fit the above shallow, jock, avaricious stereotypes of businesspeople. Ever think that businesspeople have intellectual hobbies? Degree of intellect isn't determined by college major. Education costs a lot of money, and some of us aren't blessed with available capital, or don't want to assume massive debt to be paid off for the rest of our lives. So when we retire early after accumlating massive capital, we can do/study anything we want that money can buy! (Or, by exhibited life accomplishment.) Not to mention the great overall advantage we give to our children when it comes to education and resources.</p>

<p>Personally, I recognizze that money is by no means an honorable thing to strive for, but it is a necessity in life. The more you have, the more opportunities and freedom you have to do that which stimulates your interest/intellect. Of course, not everyone sees it this way, but know that there ARE honorable reasons for going into business. Businesses offer millions of jobs to workers (e.g. surgeons), sustain and improve the quality of living that we take for granted, provide the opportunity for foreign countries to develop, etc.</p>

<p>Not to mention, statistical regression of data shows a (diminishing) positive correlation between both absolute income and happiness, and relative income and happiness.</p>

<p>But don't mistake me for advocating the pursuit of business simply for the money. It should be a passion. Money is a means to pursue other (hopefully intellectual) things, not an end.</p>

<p>sp2008, a sucessfull fisherman can also make a lot more than a sucessful psychiatrist. </p>

<p>It seemed like your post was directed at me, and I'm not sure I lumped all business majors together, nor did I say they are all the same. What I did say is give an explanation as to why most people think the way they do. You said it yourself, there are more dumb people in a business major than there are in a science major. That's not to say there aren't extremely smart business majors, there are plenty of brilliant business majors who will be making millions.. and there are also plenty of science majors who will be making 50k a year working in a lab. You pick your major based on what you like the best, those are the people who are sucessful, the ones who pick a business major because they don't know what they are going to do and business is easy and allows them to party every night.. those are they people who aren't really going to make it.</p>

<p>In case anyone wanted the sources about the income/happiness relationship:</p>

<p>Bruno S. Frey and Alois Stutzer, "What Can Economists Learn from Happiness Research?" Journal of Economic Literature, Vol XI (June 2002), pp. 402-25.</p>

<p>James A. Davis, Tom W. Smith, and Peter V. Marsden, 2001, General Social Survey, 1972-2000: Cumulative Codebook, Storrs, CT: Roper Center for Public Opinion Research.</p>

<p>Ronald F. Inglehart, et al. 2000, World Values Surveys and European Values Surveys, 1981-84, 1990-93, 1995-97, ICPSR version, Ann Arbor, Institute for Social Research.</p>

<p>burgler09,</p>

<p>Very true. No personal attack was intended, it was just that it focused on your statement. I meant to be broad about business in general.</p>

<p>The rigor of the BBA or MBA is so watered-down these days due to the wide availability at vocational schools with virtually no selectivity.</p>

<p>rofl, citing sources?! theres no need :D</p>

<p>Whoever said business courses were easy has never taken a Finance course!</p>

<p>burgler09,</p>

<p>You never know, some people need sources before they even consider the other side's argument. It's a way to say I'm not making these relationships up.</p>

<p>just giving you a hard time</p>

<p>business majors are dumb***es.</p>

<p>:)</p>

<p>ok, i don't know how often this has been addressed so far but i'm not going to read the whole thread for it:</p>

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1- The entire goal of going to college is to graduate and get MONEY, perferably a high-paying job.</p>

<p>2- Business majors teach you about MONEY, you can earn a degree and work, but you'll also know how to invest this money and how to finance it.

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without getting too philosophical, at least on the argument of the value of education (and trying my hardest not to be trite here), college isn't always about the money.</p>

<p>before you whine about that, let me explain...at least from the engineering standpoint, the beautiful thing about the sciences, and especially engineering, is that you gain a much greater understanding of the natural world....and an understanding that is, for all intents and purposes, indisputable and not a fabrication of human thought, but merely a human interpretation of nature to the best extent of human thought. (and if you haven't taken an intensive proof-based math class or a rigorous physics class, you might not get what i mean.)</p>

<p>that's opposed to something like political science or business, where what's learned is a human construct...even at the most fundamental levels of politics, of economics, etc., the best that can be studied is a human construct or an idea that exists because a human created it. as such, there can be innumerable interpretations to something like a political system or economic structure and each can be equally valid. at the end of any analysis, you don't really get a solid truth, which to me and others in engineering, isn't satisfying or good enough.</p>

<p>with science and engineering, you do get a kind of truth at the end of an analysis. and that truth is put to the test by the developments in technology that affect our lives so profoundly everyday. so there's at least two things that engineering and science have that give it a leg up on other studies: the empowerment of having at least a morsel of real truth (religious arguments aside), and the rewarding feeling that you know you at least have the potential to a) make a real difference in the world, whether or not you get credit for it, or b) do something REALLY cool and produce a really cool tangible result from your understanding of the nature of things in the world.</p>

<p>i don't mean to put one side down or bring the other side up, just saying that without having gone through any of the experiences like a really challenging physics or circuits class, it may be hard to understand quite why engineers enjoy doing what they do. and, really, to get paid pretty good money to do what genuinely interests you just makes it even better :D</p>

<p>We are superior. HAHAHA.</p>

<p>I'm just kidding. I'm double in Management Information Systems and Premed. But honestly, Business classes are so much easier, less credit hours, less studying, etc.... I would have a 4.0 if I didnt take premed.</p>