<p>It should be interesting to see this year's results.</p>
<p>what time? 10 car</p>
<p>Starts at 5:00 PM. Should end by 8:00 PM.</p>
<p>Is this like a draft? I wonder where Columbia will end up.</p>
<p>Yale SOM! (10 char.)</p>
<p>The 2008 Ranking:</p>
<p>2008 2007
Rank School Rank
1 Chicago (Booth) 1
2 Harvard 4
3 Northwestern (Kellogg) 3
4 Pennsylvania (Wharton) 2
5 Michigan (Ross) 5
6 Stanford 6
7 Columbia 10
8 Duke (Fuqua) 9
9 MIT (Sloan) 7
10 UC-Berkeley (Haas) 8
11 Cornell (Johnson) 13
12 Dartmouth (Tuck) 11
13 NYU (Stern) 14
14 UCLA (Anderson) 12
15 Indiana (Kelley) 18
16 Virginia (Darden) 15
17 North Carolina (Kenan-Flagler) 17
18 Southern Methodist (Cox) NA
19 Carnegie Mellon (Tepper) 16
20 Notre Dame (Mendoza) 26
21 Texas-Austin (McCombs) 20
22 Brigham Young (Marriott) NA
23 Emory (Goizueta) 23
24 Yale 19
25 USC (Marshall) 21
26 Maryland (Smith) 25
27 U. of Washington (Foster) NA
28 Washington U. (Olin) 27
29 Georgia Tech NA
30 Vanderbilt (Owen) 30</p>
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<p>A few comments:
- Booth School retains its no. 1 ranking two years in a row (that's Chicago btw)
- Michigan Ross... no. 5 (also second year in a row -- in fact the Top 6 places just sort of shifted a few spots, but are the same names)...
- I don't know, Alex will disagree but, Michigan Ross over Stanford, MIT, Columbia, Dartmouth?
- In fact, Booth School over Harvard, Wharton or Stanford?
- It's a nice annual list, but far from what a prospective MBA student would choose. How many students would select Booth School over HBS or Stanford GSB?</p>
<p>Go Northwestern! Go Michigan! </p>
<p>Michigan has an awesome program for non-traditional areas (sustainibility, nonprofit management, etc.)</p>
<p>How did SMU go from unranked to #18? Last year, it was horrible that SMU was left off the rankings, but putting them in the top 20 is just as bad.</p>
<p>Yale at no. 24 is a joke as well. Who is going to go to SMU or Emory over Yale?</p>
<p>these things are just created to sell magazines, generate interests. Like someone has already said, not many would pick Ross over Stanford. And not many would pick Chicago over HBS. And certainly not SMU or Emory over Yale.</p>
<p>The_prestige, I agree that Ross should probably not be ranked ahead of Stanford. But MIT, Columbia and Dartmouth are not better (or worse) programs that Ross. Michigan's General Management program is among the top 3 or 4 in the country and Michigan is a Marketing powerhouse, also generally considered among the top 3 or 4 in the nation.</p>
<p>I also agree that Chicago should not be ranked ahead of HBS, Kellogg and Wharton. But Chicago is a worthy top 5 program.</p>
<p>As for Yale, I have never thought too highly of that program. Just because it is at Yale doesn't mean it is good. And with the collapse of Wall Street, Yale is going to have difficulty attracting recruiters.</p>
<p>Shouldn't Wharton be ranked somewhat higher?</p>
<p>Yale is not a strong business school, especiall if you're not into i-banking and Wall Street.</p>
<p>yea i agree wharton should be 1 or 2 :P</p>
<p>Wharton should be ranked among the top 3, along with Harvard and Kellogg. Stanford should be 4th and Cal (Haas), Chicago (Booth), Columbia, Dartmouth (Tuck), MIT (Sloan) and Michigan (Ross) should be ranked between 5 and 10.</p>
<p>Kellogg should not be in front of Stanford. From what I've seen, just about all students at Kellogg are rejected by Stanford.</p>
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<p>The only people I have known who went to UMichigan B-school were rejected by MIT, Columbia, Dartmouth.</p>
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<p>By what possible objective criteria are you basing this on? Stanford, Harvard, Wharton have been regarded as the top three MBA schools for decades. BW putting Wharton at #4 and especially Stanford as #6 and Tuck at #12 destroys their credibility to me.</p>
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<p>Yale's MBA program is only ~ 30 years old and always has had a distinctive focus on the non-profit field compared to peer schools as opposed to Wall Street jobs.</p>
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How did SMU go from unranked to #18? Last year, it was horrible that SMU was left off the rankings, but putting them in the top 20 is just as bad.
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<p>Let me just amend this slightly. Businessweek only ranks the top 30 programs, so leaving SMU unranked was appropriate. (usnews left them out of their top 50 previously, which is not representative of the program). Either way, I don't understand the #18 ranking.</p>
<p>Having met dozens of students at Kellogg, Wharton, Chicago, NYU, Columbia, etc and sat in on several classes at each, I feel comfortable in saying there is no effing world in which Chicago is a better place to get an MBA than Wharton or Kellogg. In fact, I'm considering not even applying to Chicago because I was sufficiently unimpressed with the quality of students.</p>
<p>Are there any details released on the mechanics and formulae behind these rankings?</p>
<p>If you look at the website, you can get a pretty good idea of what they are looking at and why Chicago is ranked higher than the other schools:</p>
<p>THE</a> BEST U.S. B-SCHOOLS OF 2008</p>
<p>One of the difficulties of rankings is that they aren't just aimed at students. From a student's perspective, salary may be what is most signicant but that is not necessarily the most important piece of data for other parties (ie recruiters/employers). Also, what if a school like HWS was to have major administration issues (perhaps top faculty members left due to issues with administration, perhaps the program is being run poorly). It is likely that starting salaries will still be higher than the other schools because it is HWS but should these issues not be addressed in the rankings? I would hope they would be.</p>
<p>Anyways, rankings alone should never be used by an applicant to determine where they will attend school. Students can draw information from these rankings but not enough to say that the #1 school is definitely better than the #9 school in terms of satisfying their goals.</p>
<p>On a side note, here is an interesting chart showing the history of the businessweek MBA rankings:</p>
<p>BusinessWeek</a> Fulltime MBA Program Rankings from 1988 to 2008</p>
<p>Also, that website allows you to sort on various criteria. I did so based on salary alone. This is also far from perfect, but overall looks to be a better indication of how the schools should rank from a student's perspective:</p>
<p>Rank School Post MBA Pay
1 Stanford 125.0*
2 Harvard 121.0*
3 Pennsylvania (Wharton) 120.0*
4 MIT (Sloan) 116.0*
5 Dartmouth (Tuck) 115.0*
tie-6 UC-Berkeley (Haas) 110.0*
tie-6 Columbia 110.0*
tie-6 Northwestern (Kellogg) 110.0*
tie-9 Michigan (Ross) 105.0*
tie-9 Chicago 105.0*
11 Carnegie Mellon (Tepper) 102.0*
tie-12 Virginia (Darden) 100.0*
tie-12 UCLA (Anderson) 100.0*
tie-12 Duke (Fuqua) 100.0*
15 Yale 97.0*
16 Cornell (Johnson) 96.5*
tie-17 NYU (Stern) 95.0*
tie-17 North Carolina (Kenan-Flagler) 95.0*
tie-17 USC (Marshall) 95.0*
tie-17 Emory (Goizueta) 95.0*
tie-17 Texas-Austin (McCombs) 95.0*
tie-17 Babson (Olin) 95.0*
tie-17 Georgia Tech 95.0*
tie-17 Georgetown (McDonough) 95.0*
25 Notre Dame (Mendoza) 93.5*
26 Michigan State (Broad) 93.0*
27 Indiana (Kelley) 92.0*
tie-28 Vanderbilt (Owen) 91.0*
tie-28 Maryland (Smith) 91.0*
tie-30 Brigham Young (Marriott) 90.0*
tie-30 Illinois-Urbana Champaign 90.0*
tie-30 Boston U. 90.0*
tie-30 Connecticut 90.0*
tie-30 Southern Methodist (Cox) 90.0*
tie-30 Minnesota (Carlson) 90.0*
tie-30 Ohio State (Fisher) 90.0*
tie-30 Rochester (Simon) 90.0*
tie-30 Washington University (Olin) 90.0*
tie-39 Thunderbird 85.0*
tie-39 UC-Irvine (Merage) 85.0*
tie-39 Purdue (Krannert) 85.0*
tie-39 Iowa (Tippie) 85.0*
tie-39 U. of Washington (Foster) 85.0*
44 Arizona State (Carey) 83.0*
45 George Washington 80.0*</p>