<p>Sorry to briefly interrupt but I just wanted to ask what did you do in high school like what was your gpa, test scores, extracurriculars,etc?</p>
<p>I hear an argumentum ad hominem coming :)</p>
<p>But anyway, awesomesauce, you keep saying that you hear that things in Berkeley are a certain way. Everyone here says, yes there are some people like that, but there are also people who are not like that, just like every other school. Yet you insist that, (insert rebuttal here), evidence: I hear Berkeley is like that.</p>
<p>It seems you’re not actually interested in hearing what Berkeley’s about. You’re just here, hoping that someone will agree and prove your point, no matter how much evidence there is to the contrary. People do this for a variety of reasons - I won’t speculate what yours is.</p>
<p>Personally, I don’t see much negative competition in Berkeley. I mean, I don’t see how it’s possible in the first place. You’re one person… you’re not going to make much of a difference in a class of 200+ people (and it’s always the big lower div classes that are the most competitive).</p>
<p>It kind of ****es me off though when people in California dismiss legit East Coast schools and be all like . . YEAH CAOOOWWWW!!! </p>
<p>That counts as stuck up does it?</p>
<p>^ it’s usually the other way around at least from how I have seen it.</p>
<p>Maybe because those schools are actually . . . more prestigious and are harder to get into? </p>
<p>I have nothing against Berkeley, if I did I wouldn’t be here, but the fact that Californians treat it like a god among colleges (they’ve never heard of Stanford) and aren’t aware of the rest of the country is quite annoying. </p>
<p>I guess I never really understood the concept of “school pride”.</p>
<p>to awesome…</p>
<p>yeah that’s true but i guess it really depends on the type of person someone is. if you have good friends, they won’t do that to you. i don’t think there are a ton of people who would go so far as telling you that you are supposed to write a 1 page paper when it was really 2. that’d be effed up. but idk maybe they do. the worst i’ve heard is that people move around the slides in bio 1a or something so that people don’t know what they’re looking at for the tests. that’s messed up but there are always going to be people like that in ur life and u just have to be better than that.</p>
<p>Ah, caiacs, I can’t disagree with you on that point :)</p>
<p>But I thought someone brought it up earlier - it’s people who applied to Berkeley as a longshot and got in who do things like that. Others, for whom Berkeley is a safety, are a lot less dismissive of the East Coast schools.</p>
<p>that’s ridiculous!!! Getting into berkeley is definitely an accomplishment, but it’s just a school at the end of the day lol. People need to learn humility! Let them be pretentious, it’s their loss. Being smart is one thing, but people should be smart enough to know that arrogance is just a waste of life lol.</p>
<p>Meakame, I brought that point up on the first page of this thread . . =P </p>
<p>"I find that more of the higher achieving students are pretty humble about being at Berkeley (I hate referring to it as Cal) because Berkeley was their safety. Pretty reasonable if they’re instate because it’s either relatively cheap and/or close to home.</p>
<p>A lot of the lower achieving students somehow think that getting into Berkeley is something worthy praise because they either
a) didn’t expect to get in
or
b) feel insecure about their abilities and need some rough benchmark to cling on to"</p>
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<p>Not everyone is premed. Or Haas. It’s a big school.</p>
<p>^ yeah, not everyone is haas or premed. only 80% of the school are.</p>
<p>Haha caiacs 
sorry. I was too lazy to go look at it. Anyway you’re absolutely right, imho.</p>
<p>Percentages mean nothing in big schools. You never end up where you don’t want to unless you put yourself explicitly in the position. And 20 percent of Cal is a lot of people to meet.</p>
<p>If you happen to be premed or Haas and hate your classmates, you will find classmates who feel the same.</p>
<p>@ demoz, is it really 80%? o.O *** that can’t be right.</p>
<p>No, it’s not 80%. He/she was just exaggerating a little to make a point.</p>
<p>A point whose relevance I placed a question on.</p>
<p>good play-by-play guys, thanks</p>
<p>It is of my opinion that being humble and pleasant is a learned trait rather than something that is an inherently unchangeable aspect of a person (eg. likes/dislikes, sexual orientation).</p>
<p>Keep in mind that all those stuck-up people you see in CalSO are still in high school. They were probably all at the top of their class their entire lives. By growing up in an environment where their stuck-upness is actually reinforced, it’s something that just develops.</p>
<p>However, after spending some time at Cal where the stuck-up attitude is discouraged and your peers are similarly academically qualified, that attitude quickly dissolves for most students. This even applies to some people that I know from high school.</p>
<p>As for the protesters: I actually want you to see whether or not most of them are actually students. You’ll find that the majority aren’t actually students, and the ones who are actually students don’t seem to be on track towards completing a degree anytime soon.</p>
<p>I’ve gotten that impression too. I go to a community college so maybe that has something to do with it. I don’t think it’s because they think they’re better because they go to college so they’re smarter. I think it’s because they’re still young and haven’t completely grown up yet. Although I have met someone who came across as stuck up to me because they thought they were smarter. But most of the time, it’s because they’re still immature.</p>
<p>Go make friends with the ivy rejects.</p>
<p>They usually feel pretty bad about themselves.</p>