caltech's admissions policies are ridiculous

<p>Rice and duke reject over HALF of people with over twenty 300 sats, PLUS have race-based affirmative action, PLUS have d one sport admits.</p>

<p>Caltech has NONE of these things and it basically cheats in order to make itself appear really selective. It only admits people with high SAT scores and gpa's (math and science related ec's are very secondary), admit it it's true.</p>

<p>It really annoys me Caltech plays the college admissions game to lower its accceptance rate; it ****ed me off. </p>

<p>Caltech knows that the best way for it to appear really good and rank high is for it to appear really selective, so they lessen the quality of the university (not recruiting athletes, no afffirmative action, no admitting people with low sat's but great life stories) in exchange for making itself appear really selective. Seriously, caltech's sports teams are a sad sad joke and there are like ZERO black people there; there is no diversity, so people from different back grounds can't learn from each other, and students from different races can't learn from other races. </p>

<p>Caltech is the ONLY school that goes to such ridiculous lengths to make itself appear more selective.</p>

<p>It is depressing and sickening to see the levels a school will stoop to to try to do well in the college ranking game.</p>

<p>let me guess… they rejected you?</p>

<p>No, I am going to UVA to Caltech
(but I am really really mad that I am not going to Rice even though it costs twenty thousand per year more, ugh annoying parents), and I didn’t apply to Caltech, smart alex.</p>

<p>This fact about Caltech really irritates me though, and I was wondering what others thought.</p>

<p>Caltech is no ordinary institution. it’s sole purpose it to find the brightest minds in mathematics and science and give them the best possible education in those fields in hopes of one day churning out a few nobel prize winning physicists/scientists. </p>

<p>Caltech doesn’t care if you’re black, asian, or brazillian. If you think about it, why would any of that matter? If you’re a school aimed at educating the brightest PEOPLE, all that really matters is how well you do in school and how high you score on standardized tests (a relative test of intelligence). In my opinion, Caltech is doing what a few other institutions SHOULD be doing. Now, getting into an ivy league isn’t all about being smart. It’s about whether you’re a minority, or whether you’re a recruited athlete, or whether your parents have donated a building, etc.</p>

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<p>Ummm that’s their right. Also, they dont recruit athletes because they’re not a D-I school. D-III schools can not give athletic scholarships.</p>

<p>Your complaints are completely unfounded.</p>

<p>Caltech’s private, so they have the right to do whatever they need to do to fulfill that mission. And since it’s a small school with focus on engineering and science, it will pay more attention to pure academics. And EVERY top school only admits students with high gpas and SATs, for the most part. You can get to Harvard on an inspiring life story–but you’ll only succeed if you have the academic rigor to back it up. </p>

<p>You also say that you’re going to Caltech from UVa (which is a great school, if not the same as Rice), but why would you want to go to a school that you don’t like?</p>

<p>Just go to MIT. I mean what do you want us to say?</p>

<p>Caltech is an engineering, math, science mega powerhouse with 800 undergraduate students.</p>

<p>Cooper union is an engineering, architecture, and fine arts with 900 undergraduate students.</p>

<p>Juilliard is a dance, drama, and music power house with 800 undergraduate students</p>

<p>I personally believe that Caltech is more of a “specialty school” like Cooper Union or Julliard than a "well rounded" liberal arts education school. </p>

<p>UC Berkeleys’ entering freshman class is EIGHT TIMES larger than Caltech’s entire undergraduate population. Caltech is just too small to be considered a national university… 200 entering freshman class? That’s half the size of my graduating class in high school…</p>

<p>Lot’s of hot air but nothing substantive in your argument. What do you mean when you say that they cheat? And what game are they playing to lower acceptance rate? They have fixed number of spots for students, acceptance rate is largely a function of how many apply which they don’t have much control over. Yes they accept high gpa and high test scores, but that is the same for all competitive schools, this is hardly unique. Let’s get to the point, you mainly don’t like the fact that they don’t have affirmative action policy for minority and no preference for athletic. Let’s just say that I understand the logic behind affirmative action but you cannot dwell over the fact that a school does not accept you because you are inferior academically. Everyone who gets accepted work very hard to get there, to feel that you should get preferential treatment is in a different way unfair to those that you replace.</p>

<p>Caltech really shouldn’t be included in the rankings. At least schools like MIT are relatively larger and have other things going for it…Caltech is just a specialty school.</p>

<p>I don’t think the 31 Nobel Laureates at Caltech care what anyone thinks of their admissions policies. they are trying to collect the 200 brightest minds on the planet in most of the math/engineering/science disciplines. And if test scores are any indication, they are fairly accomplished at convincing these future academic stars to spend at least part of their life in sunny Pasadena.</p>

<p>Nice job with the satire. And the responses are hilarious.</p>

<p>No I know a black kid who go in with a 2200 and 800 on Math2C and Physics</p>

<p>^ that same black kid would’ve likely gotten into Stanford, harvard, yale, princeton, etc based on AA alone, but that he got into Caltech is very very impressive and shows he had great stats.</p>

<p>I see how Caltech is too small to be considered a national university, but it certainly can’t be considered a liberal arts college can it? I mean, Caltech is focused on anything but the liberal arts. They want their students to be extremely devoted to math and sciences and spending time studying history and english literature seems to go against their purpose.</p>

<p>lol sounds like the school i want to goto…i hate english…liberal arts…all that…</p>

<p>Caltech is totally right. Undergraduate education in math and science at Caltech is probably the most rigorous of its kind in the US (more so than even at MIT). Several Caltech courses are real killers. There is no point then in admitting someone who does not have the necessary academic requirements to succeed in those courses just because he/she belongs to a certain ethnic group or play sports.</p>

<p>College admissions are often misunderstood by students (and parents) as a right, not a privilege. Even for state colleges. The only education you are entitled to by the Constitution is a high school education. Beyond that, its a matter of choice, privilege and opportunity. </p>

<p>In a perfect world, anyone who wanted to attend a particular school would be admitted. But there are 10 times (or more) applicants than there are available seats. Colleges can select how big they want to be, how many dorm rooms to build, and sometimes they are restricted by zoning laws, building restrictions. </p>

<p>For decades the courts have debated affirmative action. It is controversial, but it also serves a public interest of providing opportunity to persons who might not otherwise have a chance of admission at a highly selective university. For others, attending a HBCU is more important than attending Michigan or Harvard or CalTech. </p>

<p>Every person is born with unique skills and limitations. The admissions committees are “building a class”, as much as they are making individual assessments of admission. Thus, they may pass over a person with a 1400 (2300) SAT, who is class president, and pick someone with a 1250 SAT, played three sports but is not seeking an athletic scholarship. They may pick someone who is first generation to attend college. They may pick a violinist with a poor math score. </p>

<p>Different colleges have different agendas. Some will reach deeper into the applicant pool than others. Some have state mandates for admitting state residents (Georgia and UNC come to mind). </p>

<p>We dont like that our future is determined by somebody else and often for seemingly capricious reasons or the “luck of the draw.” </p>

<p>We went through this three years ago. It was painful and exasperating as we heard about people we didn’t like or felt were not qualified getting into highly prestigious schools, often because their prep school counselor knew someone in admissions at the university. Or people with lower scores got into my d’s first choice school where she was waitlisted. Lots of tears. But in hindsight, everything worked out for the best. She now says, “what was I thinking?” </p>

<p>Finally, while every college is unique in its culture and experience, there is also a lot of overlap about college. What really matters is how well you do where you attend college, how you grow as a person, how you face challenge and adversity, how you help others. If you think that the name on the parchment paper (your degree) is going to define you as a person, then I would suggest you examine your priorities in life. College experiences become part of who we are as people and we all have that warm, fuzzy and humorous memory of “college” when we grow up. But the name of the college does not really define us as people, unless of course we let it. Put another way, I like to think that the values and lessons I learned in college help define who I am as a person, but not necessarily the name of the institution (though I am plenty proud of where I went to college and will stand toe to toe with anyone in defending it.) </p>

<p>Admissions decisions are frustrating, quirky, capricious, irrational…and sometimes in hindsight make perfect sense. Turn the page and move on. As my daughter says, “I am so over THAT!” </p>

<p>If you got in where you wanted, congratulations. Now go and become a whole person and leave the superficial anecdotes to others. </p>

<p>(n.b. CalTech is an amazing school. Trust me, I know. Friends and family at JPL Labs. But its not the only game in town.)</p>

<p>I commend Caltech for resisting the urge to “build a class.” In elite education, it currently offers by far the most meritorious admissions process (and contrary to the OP’s assertions, it does practice holistic admissions–with the only “tip” going to students who have overcome significant obstacles in their life, i.e. poverty).</p>

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<p>Agreed. I don’t know which is funnier the ‘wind up’ or the people wound up.</p>