<p>I thought you were an 09er?</p>
<p>irock1ce -</p>
<p>The feeling you have that you and your class of '09 peers will make Harvard fun is the same feeling that Princetonians have these days - except since Princeton already has the fun part nailed they plan to and are already making Princeton more diverse, more arty, more egalitarian.</p>
<p>You do not have to love eating clubs to love Princeton. I didn't love eating clubs (despite my WASP background etc.), my California-hippie self just couldn't settle in there. But I loved Princeton. And made friends across many segments of the school. Just talked to one of my Princeton roomates this morning actually, she was traveling on the East Coast and called to remind me of the days after we graduated and lived in NYC.</p>
<p>BTW she was at Tower, which was the kind of club then that it is now...</p>
<p>"I don't go to Princeton by the way, so don't make general presumptions that princeton students are angry,"</p>
<p>Jesus how serious are you? do you not see the "lololol jk!" part? I am not making a general presumption.. im just making fun of you. </p>
<p>Alumother - Im not too sure what your post means... so apparently with each class Princeton kids are already fun and Harvard kids just have to try harder? If your class was full of kids like Prefontaine.... you tell me how fun Princeton will be. = P</p>
<p>I just meant that Princeton already has the reputation for being fun. Hang out on this board and you will see why. Harvard does not, so you and your peers want to change that. Princeton has the reputation for being snobby, the Princeton 09ers want to change that. Clearer?</p>
<p>And Prefontaine is an outlier - wherever he goes to school.</p>
<p>I got a PM from prefont too O.o</p>
<p>No fair! I want one! Um.... running sucks?</p>
<p>(p.s. in TWO WEEKS I will be in Jersey, how unbelievable is that???)</p>
<p>Alumother - ohhhh yeah now I definitely see what you are saying. I sincerely hope that the 09ers at Princeton will change Princeton's image and make the world a better place. = D </p>
<p>You guys better wish us (Harvard 09ers) luck on makin Harvard much more exciting and fun. = P</p>
<p>lol, "running sucks"
Not subtle!</p>
<p>as a former pton hater(sempitern555 speaking) my impressions were changed when I spoke with a very candid tour guide. The elitism WAS there, as in ALL such similar institutions. But, these institutions have changed dramatically over the past generation. They have become significantly more liberal. Sure, some of those conservative alumni hang around and influence the overall atmosphere of the school(like Byerly) and other "development admits" are as snobbish as possible. But, humility is golden.</p>
<p>The tour guide at Pton said when referring to the eating clubs "There are some which have all of the southern jocks and belles, there are others which drink all the time, and there are those who have more academic and liberal atmospheres, it is just a matter of choosing what group of people to hang out with."</p>
<p>When I asked the Harvard adcom visiting my hs about what makes H unique, he replied "Harvard students have a certain confidence about their abilities to influence the world, however this often can and does turn into arrogance" This was the southern california rep, I don't remember his name.</p>
<p>When I asked the Yale adcom who visited my school, also the southern ca rep and director of minority recruitment about the secret societies, he snubbed my question and said "its just a place where you meet people, we don't kill anybody" I guess he was peeved because I told him about all the secret society halls I had spotted on campus. My affinity for Yale was highly diminished because of this conversation. He struck me as an overly self-involved arrogant elitist. By contrast, the H student guide was a funny philosophy major(props to Mark Musico). The Pton guide initially seemed arrogant, that is, until we started talking about Whig Clio and had an impromptu debate :)</p>
<p>"So you guys are 'making sure it is fun?' I thought fun was a more spontaneous form or enjoyment, with restrictions and premeditated plans of action."</p>
<p>remember, you're talking about a school that hired a "fun czar" to spice up student social life. hardly spontaneous.</p>