Campus Visit Tour: Fourth Stop Vassar

<p>This morning we took the train from NYC to Poughkeepsie to see Vassar. It was a surprisingly gorgeous and relaxing 1 1/2 hour ride up the Hudson River. Truely lovely. However, the taxi rides to and from Vassar were the wildest and scariest I've ever taken in many cities across the globe. Also, as one parent at the information session put it, Poughkeepsie, a city of 100,000 (similar to our home city) seemed very run-down and a little "creepy" making security a bit of a concern, though the campus is very separate from the city. The parents were assured by the adcom that security is not an issue on campus. First we toured the campus guided by the highest energy junior college student I have ever met. 15 minutes into the tour, I was so exhausted from listening to him, I just wanted to sit in a quiet dark room. He obviously loved Vassar.</p>

<p>Although the architecture is somewhat mixed, most of the buildings are bland brick with little character...a surprise to us. It was not the charm of Williams or the clean quirkiness of Brandeis. We toured a dorm, classrooms, etc and all were somewhat run-down and not clean. It appeared that nothing had been cleaned since the students left in June and there were large piles of garbage in the halls and stairwells of both dorms and the classroom buildings. Other points about campus that the tour guide waxed enthusiastically about but we were not able to see were the art gallery, the drama and film center, the arboretum, and the observatory. Vassar also has a 9 hole golf course.</p>

<p>Vassar is a small LAC, but is a bit larger than Williams with a student body of 2500 or so. Freshman live in the same residence halls as sophomores and juniors (and a few seniors) in mostly doubles and triples. 60% sophomores and all juniors get singles. In residence in each hall are an upperclassman student fellow (for personal or campus advice), an admistrator who handles the nuts and bolts of running the hall, and a house fellow...faculty and their family who remain in residence for 2 to 3 years. Approximately 80% seniors live in halls that are described as "apartments with training wheels"...several seniors live together in an apartment, cook for themselves, clean for themselves, etc. The remainder live in standard residence halls at their choice. There is one "theme" residence hall with limited number of students which is vegan or vegetarian by choice and is self-sufficient which is not open to freshmen. </p>

<p>Vassar has an astonishingly large selection of course offerings for a school its size, some offered every other year. Admissions aggressively markets the "Field Work" program in which 500 to 600 students/year do internships or field work for usually 1/2 credit per semester usually in the local community of Poughkeepsie either as "career exploration" or "hands on course work." 25 to 30 students per year do field work in NYC. Vassar pays for/provides transportation to the field sites. They are also proud of the Vassar Junior Year Abroad program in which juniors study away (many overseas) for 1 or both semesters. In addition to Vassar sponsored programs, students are elgible for programs offered through other colleges. Approximately 40% students participate in this program and financial aid is portable to the study abroad program. Requirements for the program include that the program be in the student's major (i.e., a physics major can't go to France to study French literature) and that the student carry a B+ GPA.</p>

<p>Vassar has only 3 "core requirements": a freshman writing class, one quantitative reasoning class, and a year of foreign language which can be placed out of with appropriate AP, SAT II, or placement exam scores. This leaves a lot of flexibility in scheduling to pursue abroad opportunities, multiple majors or majors and correlates (the Vassar term for minor). The students we talked to loved this and noted that many of their friends had continued to take classes they liked and were pleasantly surprised that they had achieved a correlate in addition to their major for graduation. Strong programs include English, psychology, political science, and biologic sciences, though others are strong as well. Many students take advantage of film studies and a state of the art film-editing facility not usually found at such a small school. Music lessons for credit are open to majors and non-majors, are audition based, and if the student is accepted, are included in tuition. The tour guide noted that violin and voice lessons are most competitive and a student might not be accepted to for credit lessons for one or two semesters in these. </p>

<p>Students we talked to were very proud of the "balance" they feel they achieve in their education, not studying 24 hours a day, but also participating in sports, theater, and just "hanging out." Like Williams, Vassar is considered to be quite athletic (it is Division III) with 50% of students involved in one or more sports at various levels and with nationally ranked men's and women's rugby teams.</p>

<p>The adcom interestingly noted a "cut-off" for ACT scores of 29, but a mid-50% range for SAT's. She reported that accepted students usually have at least an A- average. This year, the SAT writing score will be noted, but not counted, and they expect the mid 50% range to be approximately 1300-1460 without the writing score. She noted that approx 20-25% student body are students of color and 5 to 6% are international students. Interestingly, in addition to 2 essays, Vassar requires a copy of an analytical writing sample from the student's high school experience which has been graded with the grade and teacher comments/corrections on the paper. Interviews are optional, off campus only, and evaluative and must be requested by the applicant. The adcom noted that it is "a little bit easier" to get in ED and that Vassar has ED1 and ED2 options. Also, the viewbook quite honestly noted that admissions is not always need-blind since need may exceed available resources but this would not affect approximately "95%" of applicants (i.e., for 5% of students, their ability to pay full-freight affects the decision for acceptance). All financial aid is need-based, and uses the Federal Methodology, which I understand may result in finaid amounts significantly lower than those calculated by other methods. She noted that average indebtedness in loans for a graduating senior was $15 to $16K which was twice that of Williams, but lower than other schools. 65% of students receive some financial aid.</p>

<p>Overall, a positive visit with the exceptions of the town and the facilities. The unique features of the school were the strength of the study abroad program and the minimal requirements allowing for flexibility in scheduling. Tomorrow we are taking the train to Yale to allow my D to interview, so won't be doing the tour/info session thing, so I won't be reviewing it. If there's any interesting info from the interview that anyone wants to know, please PM me. The following day we head to Wesleyan. G'night all.</p>

<p>great report. :)</p>

<p>Funny how subjective the "beautiful campus' meters can be... I thought Vassar was spectacular when we saw it. (Garbage piles sound a bit off putting though!) I'd have to say the prettiest I saw were Vassar, Hamilton, & Haverford.</p>

<p>Looking forward to your next installment!</p>

<p>As far as the condition of the dorms that were visited - some of the Vassar facilities - dorms/dining hall, etc.... - are utilized thru out the summer for 'camps' with participants staying in dorms - just an FYI</p>

<p>Thanks again for taking the time to post your travels. Looking forward to the Wesleyan report.</p>

<p>Kat</p>

<p>Nice report! We visited Vassar and I don't think I got that much out of it. I do recall seeing some great dorms there - they reminded me of a hotel. Nice school certainly (if you can afford it).</p>

<p>Poughkeepsie is a mixed bag. It is sort of a dumpy city with some very interesting, creative, stuff going on and also a big IBM facility with thousands of employees. I wouldn't worry about it. I just probably wouldn't consider it a plus. Vassar's best asset locationwise is its proximity to NYC. We know quite a few students there, bright and creative. Theater is huge.</p>

<p>Quilt, I'm enjoying your reports - they are terrific.</p>

<p>I watched Tom Hanks give the Commencement address at Vassar this year on C-SPAN (his daughter was graduating). I liked the vibes. The setting was outdoors, there was an appropriate degree of decorum, but the crowd - including platform party - was kind of laid back and enjoying the moment.</p>

<p>I too thought vassar was beautiful - poughkeepsie not so much!
One thing that struck be about your report is that 40%+ of juniors have averages of B+ or better. That seems like a large percentage to me...grade inflation?</p>

<p>Quiltguru, these are some of the best campus visit reports I've ever seen. Nicely done! They should be appropriately archived somewhere.</p>

<p>I'll be doing my first formal visit at Vassar in November, but Poughkeepsie doesn't strike me as being "creepy" at all. I actually like it a lot. Interesting.</p>

<p>We also toured Vassar in late July and had quite an interesting adventure. While staying in the college Inn (a quirky building done in Tudor architecture), an enormous storm blew in. People later said that it was actually a tornado. Thank goodness there were no serious injuries but there was considerable damage to autos and roofs.</p>

<p>Huge trees came crashing down just a foot or two outside our window. All the lights on the campus and surrounding neighborhood went out. We were completely without food except for a bag of candy and soda. (My children were "starving", having driven many miles with no real meal.) The streets quickly filled with emergency vehicles and all the traffic lights went out. Fallen limbs were blocking many roads and sidewalks. </p>

<p>The interesting thing is that, because of this emergency, we saw Poughkeepsie and Vassar at its best. People bent over backwards to help us. The staff supplied us with glowsticks for safe transit in the hall and managed to get a back-up generator working so there were a few lights on the first floor. Everyone came downstairs and sat in the lobby talking. They passed out boxes of breakfast cereal to eat. </p>

<p>Later, we wandered out onto the business area just a few blocks away. All of the restaurants were closed except one. A resourceful owner of a Chinese restaurant had managed to get the gas working and was serving his patrons by the light of portable lanterns. The place was packed and everyone was talking to everyone. The Vassar campus kids (high schoolers) waved happily to everyone as their buses crawled down the busy street. Vassar arranged to take them outside the affected area to get some dinner.</p>

<p>Not your typical college stay, but my kids and I agreed that both the college and the town had displayed their "true colors", and we were impressed. There was a HUGE mess on campus when we went for our tour the next day but spirits were fine. My S. really did like the campus and the people. By any standards, this was the most "exciting" stop on our college tour. We also liked the architecture (interesting how two families can see the same place and have totally different reactions!). That upperclass housing--townhomes and apartments owned by the school--seemed like a good idea. The kids could get some independence but still have the college to fall back on if they locked themselves out or encountered problems with the buildings. My S actually felt more excited about this campus than he had about Wesleyan or Brandeis.</p>

<p>as someone mentioned before the mess was most definitely left by the summer programs not by kids that left in May. Remember many of the schools you are visiting have summer programs.. Yale & Wesleyan included. The one building that sticks out in my mind while visiting Vassar was the beautiful stain glass and architecture of the libarary, I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned. Great job of recounting your visits.</p>

<p>quiltguru [which I've been misreading "guiltguru" till just now, haha]: as someone who spent a number of years on that campus, I enjoyed your report, but I must say that the mess you describe is not typical. Usually the place is immaculate, almost to a fault.</p>

<p>quilt.....very nice report.</p>

<p>Thank you all for your input. I think it is so important for students to visit potential schools. The varied opinions posted make it clear that the student's own backgrounds, the time of day of the visit, WHATEVER, may affect an individual student's impression of a school. The student's fit with the school is the most important factor when deciding on which colleges to apply. Just remember that, although I tried my best to provide objective information in each of the reviews, there are necessarily parts that are admittedly the opinions of the reviewer!</p>

<p>Vassar is far from an athletic institution and shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath with Williams. Wesleyan would be very akin especially in student body ethic.</p>

<p>birch45 - soooo nice of you to comment <sc> - especially with the topic being addressed - ahemmmmmm - sounds a bit uuummm how should I say it??!!??.........guess I won't</sc></p>

<p>I'm seriously considering Vassar and I'm so glad that I finally got to read a great review on it, so thank you very much.
I do have a question, though. The main thing that turns me off about Vassar is that I'm afraid that it will be isolated. Is the atmosphere very rural/small town feeling, without anywhere to go? I know people say that it's very "outdoors", which I'm fine with, but I like there to be a lot of places to go with a lot of stuff going on, which I'm not sure Vassar has. Any comments on this?</p>

<p>Our tour guide told us that most students have problems making the choice of several things to do on campus on the weekends because there is so much to do. He noted that about once a term he and his friends take the train (1 hr) to NYC.</p>