<p>Dbate: I'm not sure I'd put Yale as being that much more conservative than Brown.</p>
<p>And off topic, but according to Georgetown's website, it is both financial need blind and meets 100% of need, so if you like the school, you should apply. Don't base your application decisions solely on size of endowment.</p>
<p>You're welcome Dbate, and anyone else who might have similar concerns. I agree with fire, above, though, about Yale. Not very conservative in philosophy. Very conservative in acceptances, though. Duh.... :)</p>
<p>I will just have to wiegh it. My other colleges are those that are fairly conservative (in context):Yale</p>
<p>Yale is extremely liberal, socially anyways. I mean, it's even earned the nickname of being the gay ivy. Have you ever heard the Yale chant "one in four, maybe more, one in two, maybe you!"? </p>
<p>Yale in my opinion is slightly more liberal than Brown.</p>
<p>Yale as an institution may be liberal but if has produced a fair share of Conservative intelluctuals i.e Clarence Thomas and George Bush. (Don't reply that George Bush is not intellectual, i know that is what you are thinking.)</p>
<p>Don't reply that George Bush is not intellectual, i know that is what you are thinking.</p>
<p>George Bush is about as intellectual as my dog's pooper scooper. </p>
<p>Oops. Did I say that out loud?</p>
<p>EDIT: Yale has also produced liberal politicians/intellectuals like the Clintons and John Kerry. So what's your point?</p>
<p>3togo,</p>
<p>Your comments are very astute! Yes, you have described what is probably the "traditional college experience" in my D's eyes. However, she wants to experience the East Coast and is aware that those traditional environments don't really exist there. Georgetown is a consideration, but we are not Catholic and have reservations based on philosophical differences, but it is not ruled out completely. Penn does not seem like a good fit for her (altho we haven't visited) because she is somewhat laid back and interested in Education, while Penn seems intense and hard-core business oriented. We are not religious at all, which I know seems unusual for conservative types, but we are conservative in a fiscal, nuclear-family, patriotic type of way. I hope that helps.</p>
<p>If conservative means attending the football games and a huge frat/sorority scene then Brown is not socially going to fit your daughter's view.</p>
<p>Duke may be a better choice for that kind of social scene.</p>
<p>Not that Brown students don't do either of those things, many do, but that's not the prevailing/dominant culture here on campus. In fact, the dominant culture is basically a disparate one-- Brown is more the place with lots of small parties and events going on all at once and not one defining thing going on either on campus or in Providence that most students want to head out to.</p>
<p>I don't know the Clintons and Kerrys are fiscal conservatives. I think, remember it was Bill that signed dont ask dont tell, and Hill even voted for the war, as did Kerry.
But what I speak of producing conservatives I mean that you can name plenty of conservatives that went to Yale, compare that to Brown and Yale becomes alot more conservative. Remember it is not what you are going in, but what you are coming out.</p>
<p>Hippo if you dog's pooper scooper can become President then I agree.</p>
<p>Dbate...you're more than slightly skewed here. Seriously. If you think law school is where the formative moments happen that define your political leanings, and more than that, that the law school reflects what happens during an undergraduate experience........................................................</p>
<p>::rolls eyes::</p>
<p>The Ivy League as a whole is quite liberal. Brown is honestly not that liberal at all. How else would you explain the fact that there have been no protests about the tremendous amount of animal testing that goes on here at Brown? We're not a factory for liberals nor are we a stomping ground for hippies.</p>
<p>Why is it that the University would allow any type of hostility to certain groups on campus? I mean to earn a rep of being liberal you have to do something (like pie throwing), why would the university not step in and allow for a more accepting environment for different viewpoints. I mean these top schools lose so many great students bc of the environment, but maybe they just dont care.</p>
<p>Um, are you saying that because the university suspended two students who decided on their own to be complete idiots that they're tolerating an environment which does not respect multiple groups on campus?</p>
<p>Ask the Spectator or College Hill for Christ or various other conservative type/leaning groups on campus if they feel that the university structures itself to support hostility towards any view?</p>
<p>If you had ever been here, you may know otherwise, but I'd ask that you not speculate and assume on a public message board where people are seeking to get a sense about and learn about a university from those who have more information than they do.</p>
<p>You're assumptions and conclusions are false and would not be held by anyone actually on College Hill.</p>
<p>Actually, Brown's reputation of being liberal largely comes from the highly liberalized curriculum that we've championed at various points, but most especially post 1969.</p>
<p>Liberal education =/= politically liberal though the false association is often made.</p>
<p>While we do have many liberal professors and many students who are liberal, I know quite a few people who are conservative and I know quite a few people who have views which do not follow "mainstream" or "radical" liberalism in anyway and none of them feel threatened. I wonder what former Republican Representative Chafee would have to say about all of this. He works here at Brown now (saw him at Subway today, actually) and was a Brown undergrad. He doesn't seem to view Brown as a place that doesn't respect multiple view points.</p>
<p>Actually I am not skewed. And rolling your eyes at someone is rather juvenile, often times ppl are shaped by the environment they are in. Although it can be argued that the law school is not indicative of the undergrad environment, many times the various schools of a university are constant interaction, so that if there are protests or something on a campus ppl are going to see it regardless of what they are studing.
The dichotomy between Yale and Brown is more about the polarization of liberalism on campus. If Yale is dominated by liberals who dont sit around and yell all the time I would regard that as not as liberals as a university where ppl are constantly protesting (Berkeley for example), and so I consider Yale to be more conservative friendly than Brown, which (from anecdotal evidence) has a higher concentration of active and vocal students who are liberalism. It is not the liberalism that bothers me, it is the forcing of ideologies on others and constantly displaying them as if there where no other view that is bothersome to me.</p>
<p>I am in Texas so I really cannot afford to visit all these colleges, so I am trying to get a sense of what the campuses are like. For example: duke=more party, penn=more career oriented, brown=more hippy, Yale=I cant tell ppl on there are constantly taking about the chances that they get in.</p>
<p>Oh and I apologize about the juvinelle remark, when reading it is harsher than i intended.</p>
<p>Brown actually is known as a place which is politically liberal but also disengaged-- the level of activism and protest on campus here is frequently lamented. That's just further evidence that you don't know what's happening on either campus.</p>
<p>Having spent my summer at Yale this year, I can talk quite a bit about how little it's law school interacts with undergraduates, which is the rule, btw, not the exception, when it comes to professional schools. They're highly autonomous in most cases and like it that way.</p>
<p>Brown students are hardly constantly displaying their viewpoints. I'm glad you've picked up on all of this from reading a couple of editorials in national newspapers.</p>
<p>And while I'm harsh I'm typically not remorseful for that. People spread bull on this site all the time. Speaking with any sense of authority about campus atmosphere when not having stepped foot in Providence is pretty lame.</p>
<p>I was not trying to speak with authority, I have already said i was trying to find out. Like if you look through the post on this topic alone, I have constantly asked questions, bc I do not know. My experience with ivies is very, very limited so for now my only way to know is through headlines and what ppl say on here, the ironic thing is that you are making me want to go to Brown alot more than i had before.</p>
<p>Also another thing i was basing my conception on was the FemSex and Sex Power GOD thing, that seems really wierd.</p>
<p>Bobby Jindal went to Brown, and you probably couldn't find a more conservative politician. </p>
<p>The vast majority of Brown students don't attend Sex Power God or Star F***; and if you want to avoid those 2 parties you can easily. My impression is that many other colleges throw wild parties, as wild as those 2.</p>
<p>^Those are just wild parties that happen on a yearly bases. Plenty of colleges have something similar, even Yale. </p>
<p>The thing is, the majority of colleges and universities and especially the ivies are going to be predominantly liberal, there's really no way to get around that fact. Even religious schools like BC and Georgetown have a more liberal slant than they do a conservative one. </p>
<p>I think the kind of liberalism that is ever so present at the ivies and their peers is a "do your own thing and be your own person" type of liberal rather than a "you have to support abortion no matter what" type of liberal. </p>
<p>I think it is this mindset that tends to "ostracize" (not really though) conservatives. Social conservatism, pretty much by definition, is based on tradition and the status quo. People who grow up on army bases for example live in a very conservative environment due to strict rules and expectations and anything that breaks these rules is considered a big no-no. </p>
<p>So when this type of conservative finds him/herself in a very liberal school like an ivy, and tries to express a viewpoint that is inheritely biased against a certain group of people (which I'm sure you're familiar with) whether or not it was intentionally judgemental, people will view it as such. </p>
<p>Basically, the intolerance of conservative view points at liberal colleges is more of an intolerance for views that are perceived as being (but not necessarily are) intolerant themselves. </p>
<p>College tends to be a place where the status quo melts away a bit more than it does when out in the "real" world and because of that, views that are "traditional" are often viewed as intolerant of other people's ways of living (whether or not such a view is fair) and are met with intolerance in return. </p>
<p>Such a mindset might not be fair, but I think this sums up the train of thought of many liberals and their reasoning for being adverse to conservatives.</p>
<p>Well i certainly believe in traditional values, but my exposure to differences is pretty large. There are so many immigrants here that especially in terms of religion i seen a great deal of diversity, all in all Brown does not seem the scary place i thought it to be and I will probably apply. Which is good bc from the virtual tour the campus was gorgeoous.</p>